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Offline Gixer

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« on: January 23, 2004, 06:30:36 PM »
Bush's hand picked weapons guy has finally said what everyone has expected for so long. Why dosn't Bush just finally admit he was wrong.

It was a con sold to the world from the very begining and only the most gullible fell in for it.

I guess Bush will just keep on dragging it out sending in other weapons experts to look for WMD's instead of just facing upto the fact they don't and never did exist.

Alot of people that have defended the WMD are left with a defenceless and pointless argument. Especially so for Blair.



"WASHINGTON: David Kay stepped down as leader of the American hunt for banned weapons in Iraq today, and fired a parting shot at the Bush administration, while pressure mounted on the United States to hold early direct elections in Iraq.


In a direct challenge to the Bush administration, which says its invasion of Iraq was justified by the presence of illicit arms, Kay said in a telephone interview he had concluded there were no Iraqi stockpiles to be found.

"I don't think they existed," Kay said. "What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the last (1991) Gulf War, and I don't think there was a large-scale production programme in the nineties," he said.

Kay's departure had been expected but the manner of his going was not. The CIA announced earlier that former UN weapons inspector Charles Duelfer, who has previously expressed doubts that unconventional weapons would be found, would succeed Kay as the US's chief arms hunter.

Kay's statement is certain to keep the debate about what the US knew before the war at high intensity throughout this year's US presidential campaign.

The comments were also a setback for British Prime Minister Tony Blair, President George W Bush's chief military ally, who had insisted weapons of mass destruction would be found.

Meanwhile, US plans to hand sovereignty back to Iraqis by July 1 remained clouded.

Ahmad Chalabi, a member of Iraq's Governing Council generally seen as close to the US, said it would be possible to hold elections before the midyear deadline,

The US has insisted there is not enough time to arrange elections by then. It wants regional caucuses to appoint a transitional government, with elections in 2005.

"Direct elections are possible," Chalabi told a think tank conference in Washington. "Seek to make them possible and they will be possible."

Iraq's Shi'ites, who make up 60 per cent of the population, have mounted big demonstrations across Iraq in the past week, peacefully supporting their leading cleric, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who says direct elections are essential.

At Friday prayers in Iraq's holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala, a leading Shi'ite cleric who says he is an adviser to Sistani told worshipers to be patient and wait to see what discussions between the United Nations and the Governing Council led to.

Kay said he believes most of what was going to be found in the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has been found and that the hunt would become more difficult once America returned control of the country to the Iraqis.

The US went to war against Baghdad last year citing a threat from Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. To date, no banned arms have been found.

In his annual State of the Union speech on Tuesday, Bush insisted that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had actively pursued dangerous programmes right up to the start of the US attack in March.

Joseph Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said Kay's resignation and his statement to Reuters implicitly contradicted Bush and vice-president Dick Cheney.

"Kay is a very careful man who chooses his words with great precision. He is trying to set the record straight and be true to his profession," he said"

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2004, 06:36:10 PM »
Hurrah!  No WMDs.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2004, 06:37:00 PM »
that was sure worth 500 american lives and 12k or so wounded

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2004, 06:59:45 PM »
Hehe, is this the part when you scrutinize Kay's statements to the letter or will we just accept them instead because we agree with them?  ;)

What if we find them in Syria?  Will Kay be a "LIAR!!"?

With Yeager here - Good news!  :aok

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2004, 07:06:42 PM »
12k or so wounded
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Or so?

I havent seen any talk in the media about the numbers of wounded, where can I go to verify 12,000 or so wounded?

That would be roughly 1 out of every 90 soldiers in theater wounded.

Is this true?
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2004, 07:15:06 PM »
Go to http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx for casulties and wounded.

Military wounded is around 3000 in total, I'd say the civilian wounded list would easily pass 12,000 and the who knows how many dead.



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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2004, 07:21:01 PM »
Ah, we're including the 'civilians' (read: innocent bystanders + those specificly targeted), ok.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2004, 08:00:41 PM »
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What if we find them in Syria?


That is a darn good question.  The administration said they were positive that no WMDs got to Syria but after their previous intelligence "failure"/ pro war deception propaganda (take your pick) who knows what to believe?

I remember reading accounts after the major fighting ended that there were many sites not secured by the military, and that many plces sat open for days, including areas housing radioactive waste.  It raises the question of WHAT exactly might have been taken out of the country from unprotected sites.  

OTOH it seemed like the US airpower had closed the doors to caravans leaving the country (like the great Turkey Shoot of Kuwait where Coalition forces pounded a fleeing Iraqi column)(btw i met an A-10 pilot the other day who was there.  I asked him what was his impression and a big grin broke out over his face hehe)

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2004, 09:33:14 AM »
I think we better invade Syria now.....before they move the damn things again.

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2004, 09:57:07 AM »
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I think we better invade Syria now.....before they move the damn things again.

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2004, 10:07:08 AM »
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Hehe, is this the part when you scrutinize Kay's statements to the letter or will we just accept them instead because we agree with them?  ;)

What if we find them in Syria?  Will Kay be a "LIAR!!"?

With Yeager here - Good news!  :aok


Ok let's say that WMD are found in Syria....

How were they produced?

They weren't produced in Iraq... because if they were the building where they were produced and the manufacturing equipment used to make them would have have been found.

Or did Iraq move the building and equipment also?

Read up on the Antrax found at US Post offices and the Senate Building...

In each case, very small amounts of spores were found through out each building and this was from just 1 letter that only had a few grams.

The US possess extremely sensitive detectors - that swab test that every airport uses for detecting exposives is an example.

The Iraqi's aren't known for their super clean rooms and high techonology. They are rather sloppy.

A building manufacturing Anthrax, nevre agent, mustard gas... would be covered in spills....just like what the US found after GW 1 when inspectors were in Iraq.

Ok... we believe just because YOU say so...sure Syria has the WMD now... sure... oh... did you also know Sadam wasn't really captured - that was just one of his 20 some doubles... He's really living in Havana with Ben Laden, Elvis Presley, and Emilia Airheart.

They've started their own reggie band down there... Called the Satan Saddam Five.

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2004, 11:35:19 AM »
Well then Cuba is next after Syria.

Duh.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2004, 11:36:17 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2004, 11:42:39 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2004, 11:50:43 AM »
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Well then Cuba is next after Syria.

Duh.


ok, I thought the plan was Syria then Iran....it's really not fair to get something together that everyone agree's on then all of a sudden go and change it!!

I this sort of the thing carries on I'll be forced to write to Mr Blair and demand we take back our 5 soldiers, 1 tank and the slightly moth eaten and very small aircraft carrier we have that we're lending to you.