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« on: January 24, 2004, 08:57:59 PM »
Something else I was messing around with. I'm done with the 190's - after finishing this one and touching them both up. the previous one was an officer's plane based out of Bad worishofen in 1944, i believe. It had natural metal leading edges and fuse extension.

"Red one" was used as protection for 262s on take off and landing - when they were vunerable. The underside is ok now, though not accurate on the nose section. Again, the spinner is wrong - "red one" didn't have the spiral.

Both of these are at about 80% complete. Still need to adjust some hues and other small details. mostly in balancing out panel lines / rivets / weathering, ect......

Any comments would be apreciated!

Thanks, Waffle

hehe downsized these also.....

gonna try not to post here anymore until theres a "skins" section....lol



« Last Edit: January 24, 2004, 09:12:23 PM by Waffle »

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2004, 09:46:05 PM »
Do you have this book?



Its currently out of print but copies are still available.

Unfortunately the way AH does the underside you can't run the stripes all the way to the tail. The red stripes were painted under the horizontal tail plane and the camo paint is a bit off.

Also, under the the canopy on the left side was this motto

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Verkaaft's mei Gwand 'I foahr in himmel!


(Sell my clothes I'm going to heaven)

Great effort though!!! :)
« Last Edit: January 24, 2004, 09:48:56 PM by Batz »

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2004, 09:57:27 PM »
Yup, you cant skin the belly and underneath correctly as the skins are now...oh well...

"sell my clothes "is on there.. just can't see it that well from when I reduced the image to 480x600 from 1024x1280. :)

Great book - anything by Crandall is bound to have good profiles and pics.

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2004, 02:18:46 AM »
Curses!  I'm working on a JV44 Dora, only Red 3.

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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2004, 02:56:39 AM »
missing grey yellow spinner (dora bug?)
missing white  text on side

incorrect side camo pattern

but looks good , keep working






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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2004, 04:05:57 AM »


This artist rendition is the one that I was basing the camo off of. It's a little more "clean" then the profile that looks to be by Claes Sundin that you posted ramzey. Honestly, I dont have that many black and whites of "Red one". Just a few profiles (none of the detailed upper surfaces, or lower ones for that matter) to work from. It was more or less of a "let's see" thing than an actual full flegded attempt  at this skin. The parts are are there, and it would be a fun one to work a little bit more in depth on. I'm not sure if HTC is / and / or / was wanting "historic" individual planes skins - or just skins that envelop the times and different styles of camo that were used in WWII. All is subject to interpretation.

Evidently there is a spinner problem on the d9 that only allows the spinner to be black / white. I tried replacing the "spinner" file with the one from another 190, which was modified with the correct colors - no go. I'm not sure, but this might apply to all GE planes. The spinner on "red one" was RLM 70 and Yellow (RLM 4?) based on the sources that I have - it's hard to tell.

The drawing that you have posted above has the fuse in a base RLM 84 it looks like. Granted, RLM 76(color on my version) and RLM 84 would look quite alike in B/W photos. Here it's up to the artist rendition, and source that you are most likely to trust. I might try scanning some actual color chips in and editing the planes with those colors. The only problem that I can see with that would be the "scale" and the wear. By scale I mean having to lighten the color a bit for smaller visual models.  Of course wear would be dealing with the elements and their influence on the aircraft lacquer. this would be proir to any "wear" put on by man.

Anyway like I said, I was just goofing on this one. My main project was the Bad Worishofen fw190-d9 which was a late war officers plane. For some reason I like the look of the natural metal leading edges and fuse extension. All based on late war lack of resources. But the templates worked good - all I had to do was change the camo layer and markings layer to get "red one"

I would appreciate if anyone has any more B/W photos of "red one". I would like to go a little more in depth into and make it more historically accurate for my own enjoyment.

PS: if anyone from HTC is reading this - Would you like skins sent in a photshop format so the art department can touch things up or balance layers? You guys have probably got a better eye than I do when it comes to this stuff.  I won't flood your email, I promise. Only when skins are available online will I send them off! :) Off to work on a 1024x1024 Tiger :) hope that resolution fits the skinning requirements!

Waffle
« Last Edit: January 25, 2004, 04:25:13 AM by Waffle »

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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2004, 05:55:06 PM »
Well, here's my version.  Got the basics done, now just need to weather it ;).



I'm doing this from More Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile by Claes Sundin & Christer Bergstrom.  Page 131, profile 119.

Looks like this bird was the result of dispersed manufacturing because the fuselage colors don't match up.  Also, final assembly seems to have been out of joint sealant so they just heavily oversprayed the joins in the rear fuselage.  The tail and lower cowling have normal RML 76, whereas the middle has that yellow-greenish version of it, with some sharp breaks on panel lines.  The upper cowling seems to have RLM 81.  The upper surfaces I made RLM 83 and RLM 75 for want of any real guidance :).

Annoyances with the dora skin:  
1.  can't change spinner colors
2.  Upper stab surface mirrors despite having both sides as separate pieces on the skin sheet.
3.  Strange scaling factors used on lower stab surface.

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2004, 07:27:22 PM »
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Annoyances with the dora skin:  
1.  can't change spinner colors
 


don't be so sure....

it's been done on the pony.

check out the 51 thread.. i think acepilot found out how...
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2004, 08:58:41 PM »
Shane said:
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don't be so sure....  it's been done on the pony.


Yeah, but that's old news.  The German spinners are a totally different matter.  You'll look in vain for any black and white areas on the stock skin sheets.  And even if they just take single pixels for the color, which IS possible for them to do, then you're still stuck with the spiral.  You can't do the 1/3 white thing, or the yellow nose like these Doras had.

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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2004, 12:03:00 AM »
i found a "spiral" skin in one of the ge planes, and edited that and placed it in the 190d9 folder - still no go on change

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2004, 09:08:01 AM »
Very nice work! Never thought ppl would actually know this plane :aok  The 262 were really vulnerable while taking off and landing. This plane would take off first and watch over the Me's so they couldn't be surprised by enemy fighters.

Really great work :)