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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2004, 05:07:36 PM »
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Stop whining and develope the next emergent technology or industry and lead the world, instead of whining about the job you had stapling paper together for $45 an hour that mysteriously went to India where a triple doctorate is doing the same job for $5 an hour.


Ever worked on a 500- 600 user business application Yeager?

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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2004, 06:06:10 PM »
Yeager obviously thinks his job at McDonald's is safe.  Thus his uncaring attitude.

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2004, 07:03:40 PM »
They dont pay enough in taxes to get them to stay here. Its cheaper for them to outsource then it is for them to pay americans even if you slash their taxes.
Then the federal government loses funds and you enter a spiral.

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2004, 07:22:08 PM »
I hope Bush does sign the Bill. It would be the best decision he makes as the president for the country. IMO

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2004, 07:26:33 PM »
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isnt the fed gov. the biggest employer in the US? 2% could very well be like 30% of what private companies employ.


Not when you tally up all of the private companies into one big total.
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2004, 08:08:50 PM »
A person must adapt.  Americans have some sort of reputation at overcoming adversity, creating and leading free markets, but it would appear the ever longing line forming to suck at the governments tit has finally squashed that trait.

It would appear that some would rather develope and cement a theory of dependance on government instead of using self reliance, discipline and ingenuity to overcome adversity in a free flowing global marketplace.  If a person in India can outbid and develope competative products then Im afraid american global supremecy of free market is at an end.  Methinks we can finally give north american liberalism, a watered down form of european socialism, it's due credit.
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2004, 08:39:18 PM »
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I cant recall a single tax incentive that has been enacted that rewards a single company to keep american labor?????????????

and as i said befor if the current administration were to pass such an act it would be more libral ammo that he cators to big business!



You'll be voting for Kerry then?

"To create new manufacturing jobs Kerry will provide new tax breaks to manufacturers who produce goods and create jobs in the United States. He will provide relief for manufacturers that provide quality health care and retirement."

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/

But then he's going to tax the bejeasious out of you to give them extra bonus cash.

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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2004, 12:45:51 AM »
Something to consider, if the Dems can convince the voting population that the election is about “jobs”, be it Kerry or the Anti-Christ. You may well see a replay of 92. Both Iraq and terrorism will play a large role in the election. But, if Joe Blow feels his principal concern is feeding and keeping a roof over his family heads. Then I'd say, all bets are off.


Don't think tax breaks will be much of an inducement. Going to take alot more than that.

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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2004, 02:13:11 AM »
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LoL  well, im sure I'd prolly be responsible for a few.. But w/ your 13 Thousand post... LoL  nevermind...


lol 13,000 posts, say 3 minutes on average per post is 39,000 minutes or 650 hours, say Mr Snort works for $36.00 per hour his posting on the BBS during office hours costs his company $23,400.

Wonder why jobs get shipped to the 3rd world?

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2004, 02:59:38 AM »
I think it's up to us, the consumers, to decide what does and does not get outsourced by using or not using a company's product(s). Most people think that the corporations are so big that they don't care about one customer. One customer has no power, yes. Customers in numbers have power. That's what ost people fail to realize.

Look at Dell. Enough corporate customers complained, and tech support is back in the US. If enough people stop buying Dell products and name the poor outsourced tech support as the reason you can bet it will be back in the US.

Regular consumers have the same power in large numbers. That applies to all companies for pretty much any aspect. As long as we put up with what we don't like and pay for products and services anyway, the businesses will not change, no matter how much we compain. Why should they? They are in it to make a profit. As long as you are forking out the cash, nobody cares whether you are happy or not. Look at the software industry. Everyday there is software released that doesn't belong on the shelf, with promises of patches in the future. And people pay for it. And since there is not enough consumers making a stand and refusing to pay for an unfinished product, it doesn't cut into the company's profit and nothing changes.

It is up to us to make an informed decision whether to do business with a particular company and hope that enough people will make the same choice to force a change.

Now back to the topic of this thread ... government jobs. Those should be kept here, period. Otherwise we might as well outsource our President and Congress, pour the savings into our education system, and raise job candidates that can compete with the ones abroad.

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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2004, 03:07:05 AM »
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lol 13,000 posts, say 3 minutes on average per post is 39,000 minutes or 650 hours, say Mr Snort works for $36.00 per hour his posting on the BBS during office hours costs his company $23,400.

Wonder why jobs get shipped to the 3rd world?


That's 13,000 posts over 4 years, which comes out to about 37 mins of posting time a day, assuming he only posts on working days. I think it's safe to say he does it during his lunch break :D

Now, if it was 13,000 posts over the past 6 months, THEN I'd have to wonder :lol

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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2004, 11:13:49 AM »
"If Hajji in New Deli decides that he is tired of his $7k a year job as a customer service rep for Massive Bank of North America and takes your personal info for illegal gain of $50k, then he can run pretty much scott free. The fairly new extradition treaty between the US and India is very weak. And it would still depend on the India police to track Hajji down.

So if you want to slow offshoring down some, then ask your US legislators to support a bill that makes it illegal to export personal info to offshore service providers."

Good point!  My company tried out sourcing and it failed.  Communications infrastrure in India sucked.  Our operating hours were their maintenance hours.

We had customers refuse to talk to "Indiots."
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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2004, 12:06:22 PM »
Waaa... so much for a free market and you call Canada a socialist state, LaRf.:rofl :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2004, 12:21:31 PM »
"like a Burger king sticking an indian guy who does not speak english very well on the drive through."
 
 Who cares who's at the "customer service desk" as long as the college educated, minimum wage, no-collar Americans inside the newspeak "factory" are still employed.  And that masses of over qualified Yanks are continually trained in the high-dreck skill of "manufacturing" hand rubbed, finely laquered* ground beef patties and the requisite "freedom" fries.  



*luxury appointments such as inlaid sesame seeds or gemstone finish pickle appliques strictly optional!


(like Toad said, welcome to the new world economy....)

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« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2004, 12:55:41 PM »
Nothing can be done about private corporations who outsource.

Indeed, Since many of these American mega-corporations pay zero corporate income tax, rather than tax incentives, why not more punitive threats?.. If you outsource more than 50% of your work force, you can pay the full premium.

Another option:.. Just how valuable are these copywrites?  The logos.. source codes etc.. Again, if 50% of your work force is shipped out, no more copywrite protections..

Option three: (my favorite) If you company is outsourcing more than 50%. Expulsion. That’s right, corporations are not people, they can be expelled. Let them be at the mercy of the host countries tax laws.

Some pretty strong medicine I agree but these people are IMHO committing treason.