Stuka Variants

[EagleDNY]

A suggestion:
The JU87D model that we are flying in AH now is really a waste of time.  Yes, it's nice to be able to take up a huge bomb and blast something with it, but from a playability perspective it might be a good idea to look at replacing the Stuka in the game now with either the D8 or G Series Variants.
For those of you not familiar with the Stuka variants mentioned, the D8 is a Stuka with a 1500hp Jumo 211p engine and a pair of 20mm MG151s replacing the 7.92mm popguns in the wings.  The G series are the 'tank busters' which carried 2 37mm Flak18 cannons in underwing pods instead of bombs.
Either of these variants might go a long way towards making the Stuka get some more flight time.  

EagleDNY

[Batz]

No version of the stuka would get used much in the main. With only 12 rounds in the G model any 50 cal / Hizooka armed plane can kill more gvs. 20mm mg151 won't kill anything except maybe an m3 or m16. It's to slow to DF in so with either 20mm or 7.9 the forward guns would still be mostly useless.

The Ju 87D-3 is useful because it’s a late war variant that can be used in an early war scenario/event, which is the only place you will really see stukas used. It can be used in a late war East Front scenario or fill in for the B-2 in a BoB event.

So the Ju 87D-3 was a perfect choice. It still has dive flaps and  2x7.9 mm . It will be a long long time before AH sees another Stuka variant. But if the day ever comes then the G-3 can be adapted from the D-3.

[frank3]

Well some heavier armamanet would be appreciated tho, it's known as a tankbuster, but...when you dropped your bombs it's all over! (Or you must be able to destroy a tiger with 2 .303's)

[Hap]

seemed like as war progressed flying the stuka was a waste for german pilots too.

but i have had fun taking 5 guys in stukas with the 1800 kg bomb over to a med airfield at about 13k agl.

1 pass.  no vh no fh.

[frank3]

It's really awsome for hangar busting, especially if you don't want to fly for an hour to up a lancaster

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by EagleDNY
A suggestion:
The JU87D model that we are flying in AH now is really a waste of time.  Yes, it's nice to be able to take up a huge bomb and blast something with it, but from a playability perspective it might be a good idea to look at replacing the Stuka in the game now with either the D8 or G Series Variants.
For those of you not familiar with the Stuka variants mentioned, the D8 is a Stuka with a 1500hp Jumo 211p engine and a pair of 20mm MG151s replacing the 7.92mm popguns in the wings.  The G series are the 'tank busters' which carried 2 37mm Flak18 cannons in underwing pods instead of bombs.
Either of these variants might go a long way towards making the Stuka get some more flight time.  

EagleDNY

The Ju-87D-8, was designated as a night bomber as was the D-7 which had a longer wingspan.  The Ju-87D-7 was derived from the Ju-87 we have in AH, the D-3.  The Ju-87D-8 was derived from the D-5

The photo below is of a Ju-87D-8.  Notice the flame damper on the side of the engine.



I would like to see the D-5 be eventually added.  With the 2x wing mounted 20mm cannons, it can have a little bit more of a bite than the D-3 we have.  Despite what Batz says, the Ju-87 is a fun little dog fighter.  Nothing can out turn it in a low speed fight, nor stall fight better.  With the D-5, the Ju-87 would be a fun plane to fight in.

As for the G-1, the problem as I see it is it's weapons package.  There were only 6 rounds for each 37mm gun mounted under the wing.  Because of the 37mm cannons, the G-1 didn't carry bombs.  And the gun pods really cut down on the maneuverability of the Ju-87.  With the D-5, even with wing mounted 20mm cannons, it was still able to carry some bombs and it was actually more maneuverable then the D-3.

Ju-87D-5



Ack-Ack

[Batz]

The D-5 would be redundant and not get any more use in the main then the D-3.

The D-3 can fill a variety of roles from early to late war in scenarios and events. The D-5 can't.

Despite how "kewl" you may think it would to dogfight in, it would be a hanger queen just like the d-3.

Its not like there’s a steady supply of new aircraft coming into AH. Each plane added should be planes that can fill as many roles as possible. Not for the main but for events and in particular the upcoming AH2:ToD. With this in mind the D-3 was a great choice.

You should know this, when was the last p38 variant added?

[GRUNHERZ]

I would very much lie to have a pair of 20mm cannon in a stuka, i would be a very useful plane like IL2 is sometimes.

[LWACE]

i disagree bats, D-3 a hanger queen huh? i love the D-3 its perfect for GV killen, there are alota LW only squads in this game, and that plane is perfect for them, you can up with escourt and vaporize a base like nothin.

Ive killed some fighters in it, just because they think its an easy target and are willing to sit and turn with me forever enough pings and stuff falls off. now 20mms on that its gonna be deadly, specially with a bomb load, and btw tons of planes comin in, itd be REAL easy to make another stuka, they got all the basic planes and modeling laid out already.

i agree there are some planes more needed but id like to see the D-5 also as i use D-3 pretty reg basis.

[Batz]

Tour 48 all kills

All planes have 719417 kills and have been killed 719417 times

Ju87 tour 48

The Ju 87D-3 has 543 kills and has been killed 1768 times.

543 kills out of 719417.

It's a hanger queen, add 20mm to it its still a hanger queen.

But this thread isn't about what a few folks want. From the original post:

The JU87D model that we are flying in AH now is really a waste of time. Yes, it's nice to be able to take up a huge bomb and blast something with it, but from a playability perspective it might be a good idea to look at replacing the Stuka in the game now with either the D8 or G Series Variants.

The answer is as I explained it. The D-3 has greater potential for use in a wider range of events. Even if we had the D-5 its usage wouldn't increase and it would have limited usage in events.

So the D-3 isn't a waste of time and has more potential uses outside of the main then the D-5 or G variant.

I would like all planes in ww2 modeled in AH but it isn’t going to happen. So if you look at things beyond just the “kewl” factor you see any number of gaping holes in the plane set. It has been almost 4 years since AH was released and count the number of planes so far. It’s going to be a while until the plane set gets  filled out. Any new plane is a good one but if we are making request lets ask for stuff we need

[Seeker]

The only Stuka "mod" we need is the siren.

[Tony Williams]

Originally posted by Batz
No version of the stuka would get used much in the main. With only 12 rounds in the G model any 50 cal / Hizooka armed plane can kill more gvs.  

I did some research into this for 'Flying Guns: WW2' and discovered that the BK 3,7 could be loaded with 6, 8 or 12-round clips. Penetration was in a completely different league from any .5 or 20mm loading: up to 140mm at short range, as opposed to around 25mm.

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[Batz]

I thought the load was 6 rpg? for 12 total?


Yeah I know in real life .5 and hispanos weren't tank busters. I was referring to AH where any 50 cal or Hispano armed plane can kill GVs easier then any other round in the game.

[DYGCaps]

Having a Stuka with 37mm's would be nice, but with the GV model the way it is 37mms dont kill panzers reliably, and a tiger? lol forget about it.  So basicly what we have here is another hangar queen which no one will ever fly other than in the Ct and maybe as a joke in the MA...Like I said it would be fun to have one, but won't be as good at killing armor as hizookas

[Tony Williams]

Originally posted by Batz
I thought the load was 6 rpg? for 12 total?

No, up to 24 total.

I can't comment on the game, but in RL the BK 3,7 was a serious tank-killer in skilled hands (like Rudel's) while the .5 and 20mm only very occasionally were able to get one.

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