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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2004, 11:48:15 PM »
No.  I was talking to jamx the other day, and he said that most were snap rolls from him luring the me262 onto his six.


He then does a wierd snap back and takes a good shot.  I do think that he got one or two flat out.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2004, 11:51:18 PM »
Blammo, how quickly did you initiate your 90 degree dive?  

A harsh turn will cause slight E to be burned.

Also, the P51 could have cut the corner.  Think of a triangle, your path follows the two sides while the P51 follows the hypotenuse with a lead pursuit angle.  

That also depends on the amount of E advantage you claimed the P51 had in the beginning.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2004, 12:05:19 AM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No.  I was talking to jamx the other day, and he said that most were snap rolls from him luring the me262 onto his six.


He then does a wierd snap back and takes a good shot.  I do think that he got one or two flat out.


Yeager only got 11 and 1/2 kills during WWII, and claimed only two 262s. One was as I expected, a landing vultch. The other I can't find any info about. He might have claimed a probable kill on the 262 he scored hits on in the quote below.


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While Flying a P-47 with the 357th Fighter Group, Gen Yeager encountered jet-propelled Messerschmitt (Me) 262s. Attacking the high element, he got hits on one of them before they pulled out of range. Separated from the rest of the flight, he spotted a lone Me 262 with its gear down approaching an airfield at approximately 500 feet. Diving at the deck, he fired a long burst into the jet before breaking off to avoid intense flak. The Messerschmitt crashed short of the runway and became the first jet aircraft on the 357th’s victory list.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2004, 03:50:09 AM »
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Question is: How? A pony can outdive a P-47? If so, the P-47 is porked if it is trying to break an engagement with a pony.

simple. all WWII pilots were either liars or biased.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2004, 04:56:11 AM »
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The me262 isn't either.  But anyway, Chuck Yeager was notorious for destroying Me262's with a p51.


"Chuck Yeager: World War 2 ace, shot down 11 German planes, including 2 Me-262 jets"

Notorious? ROFLMAO !

Oh and about Me-262 speeds...
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2004, 09:27:59 AM »
Yeager never flew the P-47 in combat. His unit (357th FG) was equipped with the Mustang on its initial deployment. Yeager flew Mustangs exclusively in combat.

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2004, 09:52:34 AM »
Yes, I noticed the P-47 remark too. This was the only quote I could find that described more than just the one 262 vultch. I can't find a description of how he got his second kill. Fact still remains, Yeager claimed 11 kills during WWII, two of which were 262s.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2004, 05:36:08 AM »
I recall that the 65th SQN RAF did have an air-to air engagement with 262's. P51C it was, and 1 262 got shot down.
One pilot of that squad stated that the 51 would indeed be able to partially break through the barrier, losing control at a certain speed and regaining it again at higher speed.
Yeager would perhaps know ;)
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2004, 06:33:33 AM »
Not even the 163 could break the sound barrier. If for some insane reason someone were to strap a huge rocket to a P-51 and dive to mach 1, the P-51 would disintegrate in midair.
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2004, 07:03:57 AM »
I have always found the Tempest in AH to be a great diver, how does that compare to pony and Ta-152?
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2004, 07:56:07 AM »
As a sidenote, the X-1 was NOT the first plane to break the sound barrier, nor was it Chuck Yeager :D
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2004, 07:58:31 AM »
Then who was?
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2004, 08:30:04 AM »
Eugene Walsh, flying a prototype(?) jetfighter (Sabre I belive) in a dive actually.
Yeager was the first to break through in a level flight. Walsh died while trying that, and so did Geoffrey De Havilland. I do not know if it is belived whether those made it through the barrier.
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2004, 08:30:41 AM »
Oh, Walsh was one of those that scrambled at Pearl Harbour actually ;)
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2004, 10:21:04 AM »
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Oh, Walsh was one of those that scrambled at Pearl Harbour actually ;)

No way, everyone knows it was only Ben Affleck and his buddy that made it up in the air.
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