Author Topic: Year-End MA After Action Report (2003) (Read 15904 times)

Zazen13 · « **Reply #105 on:** February 02, 2004, 04:16:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
What is a "premier" squadron?

That is some freaky **** to do just for a video game.

Must be a bummer to have gone through all that and still not get the respect you craved.

Has not thing one to do with respect. I'm just an over-achiever who strives for perfection. Nothing particular to AH, I am like that in every facet of my life. My financial success is built upon that virtue, and it serves me equally well in AH.

I will use each and every tool at my disposal if I believe it will enrich my experience and/or bring me closer to my archetypical ideal of perfection.

Anyhow, Aces High represents the crowning jewel of a life-long obsession I have had with World War 2 history. It is more than a video game to me, it is the immersive embodiment of a lifelong passion. I read every book I can find on WW2, buy all the collector videos, study works on Fighter Combat and first hand accounts. Several members of my family fought for the British in WW2, this is my way of remembering them, and paying tribute to their sacrafice. It's almost a religous experience for me, for that I give my ultimate best effort, it goes far beyond mere idle entertainment.

It is from this perspective that I endeavor to draw parallels between the AH experience and the experience of the real pilots in WW2. Mulling over our statistics and fully understanding the dynamics of combat in its various forms in AH gives me insight into WW2 airiel combat I couldn't possibly get without having actually lived it myself. "A taste of the Past", the golden era of combat aviation is how I think of it. This exercise is becoming increasingly important as WW2 is rapidly vanishing from living memory. Soon it will be only a part of written history. It is through games like AH that the memory stays alive in an abstract form of hero worship. I give Civil War re-enactments as an apt parallel as the Civil war vanished from living oral history some 20 years ago. AH, is a WW2 re-enactment in various forms.

I am fully aware most do not take it as seriously as I do. I realize most just approach AH with the same testosterone soaked vim and vigor as they would a game of Quake or Ms. Pac Man, I came to that stark realization years ago. I just get frustrated when the unrealistic play of some is so blatant it sullies and bastardizes that immersive feel of role-playing an actual WW2 fighter pilot fighting for home, country, and my very life.

Zazen

Samiam · « **Reply #106 on:** February 02, 2004, 05:08:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
Just as food for thought here are the January (2004) statistics.

Rook Kills Vs. All:262,736
Rook Deaths Vs. All:238,547
Rook Kills/Death:1.10

Bishop Kills Vs. All:216,717
Bishop Deaths Vs. All:246,801
Bishop Kills/Death:0.87

Knight Kills Vs. All:239,960
Knight Deaths Vs. All:234,067
Knight Kills/Death:1.02

Rook K/D Vs. Bishop:1.13
Rook K/D Vs. Knight:1.06

Bishop K/D Vs. Rook: 0.87
Bishop K/D Vs. Knight:0.87

Knight K/D Vs. Rook: 0.93
Knight K/D Vs. Bishop:1.13

* As you can see the January statistics are very consistant with the entire 2003 year-end statistics. Actually, Bishop K/D is exactly the same as their 2003 total K/D. Similarily, Knights salvaged a reasonable margin on Bishops by being far more effective Vs. Bishops than Vs. Rooks. While Bishops may totally lack relative effectiveness they do get points for being consistant, consistantly bad but, consistant nonetheless

Zazen

Zazen,

I can't help but notice that the total kills represented here is

719,413

while MiniD's fighter vs. fighter stats show as the total number of kills for the same tour

324,712

The number of fighter kills on fighter is less than half the total number of kills.

If you restricted your analysis to just those fighter on fighter kills, I wonder how it skews the per country numbers...

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #107 on:** February 02, 2004, 05:17:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13

For comparison's sake , just to add some statistical perspective, Shane has a 3.10 K/D vs. Rooks. Not be-littling Shane,he's a great flyer, but a 3.10 to 1 K/D does not deviate from the average enough to be remarkable in any way.

I am just your average Rook, so you can see how we are as effective as we are. This was also a very poor camp for me. I was very rusty from a 10-day Hawaai vacation .

Zazen

Also compare your flying style with Shane's. Shane has a more aggressive flying style than your timid one. So to add perspective your stats in relation to Shane's is meaningless. Also, how many of your kills were in a ground vehicle or as a gunner? I'm willing to bet that close to half of your kills were either in a GV or manned ack (field or CV).

ack-ack

mars01 · « **Reply #108 on:** February 02, 2004, 05:20:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
... I also use different accounts for different things, for example, if I want to work on a plane I am unfamiliar with I will use one of my shades accounts until I become proficient. Similarily, I use shades accounts to warm-up for the day so when I get on Zazen, my aim, SA, sense of deflection etc. are already keyed up for action...

Dude is your last name Kazinsky, Bundy, Burkawitz or Voss. Holy crap, HiTech must love guys like you. Shade accounts, give me break. You got it bad dude really bad.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #109 on:** February 02, 2004, 05:28:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Lol Todd.

Try a vulch in a niki... with all that ammo and ability to get around quickly I assume (have only flown a nik twice) that it must be about the bset vulcher around.

I've found out that if it wasn't for the crappy guns on the Ju-87, that sucker would be a great vulch plane. If we had the Ju-87D-5 with the wing mounted 20mm cannons, the Stuka would be the ultimate vulture.

ack-ack

Guppy35 · « **Reply #110 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:02:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
Has not thing one to do with respect. I'm just an over-achiever who strives for perfection. Nothing particular to AH, I am like that in every facet of my life. My financial success is built upon that virtue, and it serves me equally well in AH.

I will use each and every tool at my disposal if I believe it will enrich my experience and/or bring me closer to my archetypical ideal of perfection.

Anyhow, Aces High represents the crowning jewel of a life-long obsession I have had with World War 2 history. It is more than a video game to me, it is the immersive embodiment of a lifelong passion. I read every book I can find on WW2, buy all the collector videos, study works on Fighter Combat and first hand accounts. Several members of my family fought for the British in WW2, this is my way of remembering them, and paying tribute to their sacrafice. It's almost a religous experience for me, for that I give my ultimate best effort, it goes far beyond mere idle entertainment.

It is from this perspective that I endeavor to draw parallels between the AH experience and the experience of the real pilots in WW2. Mulling over our statistics and fully understanding the dynamics of combat in its various forms in AH gives me insight into WW2 airiel combat I couldn't possibly get without having actually lived it myself. "A taste of the Past", the golden era of combat aviation is how I think of it. This exercise is becoming increasingly important as WW2 is rapidly vanishing from living memory. Soon it will be only a part of written history. It is through games like AH that the memory stays alive in an abstract form of hero worship. I give Civil War re-enactments as an apt parallel as the Civil war vanished from living oral history some 20 years ago. AH, is a WW2 re-enactment in various forms.

I am fully aware most do not take it as seriously as I do. I realize most just approach AH with the same testosterone soaked vim and vigor as they would a game of Quake or Ms. Pac Man, I came to that stark realization years ago. I just get frustrated when the unrealistic play of some is so blatant it sullies and bastardizes that immersive feel of role-playing an actual WW2 fighter pilot fighting for home, country, and my very life.

Zazen

Zazen, you were a headcase in AW and clearly it hasn't changed.

Since you are into realism, do us all a favor. Start your tour and as soon as someone kills you, end it. Then show us your stats. I wonder how aggressive you'll be and how much running you'll do.

LOL re-enactment my eye. Let's stick you in a freezer on oxygen while throwing real G forces and weather at you along with the potential for mechanical failure and the possibility of a 20mm cannon shell exploding in the freezer with you now and then.

Of course you'd probably get killed by some vulcher like Todd anyway so the previous would be pointless

Hate to break it to ya but this is just a game and will remain just a game no matter how vivid your imagination.

Dan/Slack

TweetyBird · « **Reply #111 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:03:20 PM »

>>Anyhow, Aces High represents the crowning jewel of a life-long obsession I have had with World War 2 history. It is more than a video game to me, it is the immersive embodiment of a lifelong passion. <<

Its paintball to me.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #112 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:21:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Samiam
Zazen,

I can't help but notice that the total kills represented here is

719,413

while MiniD's fighter vs. fighter stats show as the total number of kills for the same tour

324,712

The number of fighter kills on fighter is less than half the total number of kills.

If you restricted your analysis to just those fighter on fighter kills, I wonder how it skews the per country numbers...

Check it for yourself i took the numbers right off the score page here on HTC's website. Furthermore, check the statistics at the top of this thread, never has any country scored less than 150,000 kills/camp, not even Bishops who struggle to kill at all. 324,712 total kill would be 100,000 for each team on average, that's just not correct.

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #113 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:23:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Zazen, you were a headcase in AW and clearly it hasn't changed.

Since you are into realism, do us all a favor. Start your tour and as soon as someone kills you, end it. Then show us your stats. I wonder how aggressive you'll be and how much running you'll do.

LOL re-enactment my eye. Let's stick you in a freezer on oxygen while throwing real G forces and weather at you along with the potential for mechanical failure and the possibility of a 20mm cannon shell exploding in the freezer with you now and then.

Of course you'd probably get killed by some vulcher like Todd anyway so the previous would be pointless

Hate to break it to ya but this is just a game and will remain just a game no matter how vivid your imagination.

Dan/Slack

Umm, that's like saying those guys re-enacting Gettysburg aren't really re-enacting because they didn't march 50 miles, eat stale bread for 3 weeks and get crotch rot before they did it with live ammunition. Nice argument, try agian.

As for the dying thing, strange you mention that. That is actually my magnum opus, my dream, to go an entire camp without a death or capture. One day perhaps, I have only been playing Aces High just over a year, give me a bit more time to practice

Took me almost 7 years of AW to approach that goal.

Zazen

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #114 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:37:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
Check it for yourself i took the numbers right off the score page here on HTC's website. Furthermore, check the statistics at the top of this thread, never has any country scored less than 150,000 kills/camp, not even Bishops who struggle to kill at all. 324,712 total kill would be 100,000 for each team on average, that's just not correct.

Eh? I just looked through last tour's stats and ground vehicles easily make up this difference. Panzers alone had almost 75,000 kills, Ostwinds 46,000 kills, PT Boats almost 11,000 kills, M-16s over 10,000 kills, and manned guns over 31,000 kills. That doesn't even count kills by other ground vehicles (Tigers, LVTs, M-3s, M-8s) and all types of bombers.

I can see those easily making up the differences.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Zazen13 · « **Reply #115 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:42:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Eh? I just looked through last tour's stats and ground vehicles easily make up this difference. Panzers alone had almost 75,000 kills, Ostwinds 46,000 kills, PT Boats almost 11,000 kills, M-16s over 10,000 kills, and manned guns over 31,000 kills. That doesn't even count kills by other ground vehicles (Tigers, LVTs, M-3s, M-8s) and all types of bombers.

I can see those easily making up the differences.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Yup, this post is about total kills. Not just aircraft kills, total kills.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #116 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:51:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Also compare your flying style with Shane's. Shane has a more aggressive flying style than your timid one. So to add perspective your stats in relation to Shane's is meaningless. Also, how many of your kills were in a ground vehicle or as a gunner? I'm willing to bet that close to half of your kills were either in a GV or manned ack (field or CV).

ack-ack

AKAK - wrong again , sorry to disappoint, had 86 kills in ostwind and 1 kill in a field gun of my 304 kills.The 86 ostwind kills were all aircraft and I did that in only 36 sorties landing 31 of those 36 sorties.

Anyways, I am not disputing Shane and I have divergent styles, but he was the one that posted his kill stats to make a point. I was merely commenting on them while providing mine for some comparison and perspective. Shane's kills were almost entirely in P51D and La7 does that make those kills count any less? I think not. This entire post is based on Total kills.

Zazen

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #117 on:** February 02, 2004, 06:56:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yup, this post is about total kills. Not just aircraft kills, total kills.

True, but I'm pointing out that vehicle and bomber kills explain the difference between MiniD's fighter vs. fighter numbers and the total numbers you presented. There's no mystery here.

I have no idea what removing ground vehicles and bombers would do to the number of kills or the K/D ratio for each country.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Zazen13 · « **Reply #118 on:** February 02, 2004, 07:01:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
True, but I'm pointing out that vehicle and bomber kills explain the difference between MiniD's fighter vs. fighter numbers and the total numbers you presented. There's no mystery here.

I have no idea what removing ground vehicles and bombers would do to the number of kills or the K/D ratio for each country.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Good question, maybe MiniD can give us the answer. There is no inherent provision within the HTC website score pages to differentiate between the different kill types (that works yet). When you try to access the Country Vs. Country detailed breakdown section of the score page it says, "Coming Soon", as it has since I joined Aces High over a year ago.I would LOVE to crunch those numbers if they were available. Maybe after AH2 is released HiTech will devote some programming time to getting that up and running finally.

Zazen

Guppy35 · « **Reply #119 on:** February 02, 2004, 07:58:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
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As for the dying thing, strange you mention that. That is actually my magnum opus, my dream, to go an entire camp without a death or capture. One day perhaps, I have only been playing Aces High just over a year, give me a bit more time to practice
Took me almost 7 years of AW to approach that goal.

Zazen

And all that says is a lot of guys are doing the work down low, while you wait to cherry pick. What kind of 'teammate" does that make you? It implies that you are so intent on your score, and your own 'dream', that a pilot in trouble shouldn't expect your help.

So that means you are high alt, in the fastest ride you can find.

Dan/Slack