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« Reply #120 on: February 02, 2004, 08:19:11 PM »
"Anyhow, Aces High represents the crowning jewel of a life-long obsession I have had with World War 2 history. It is more than a video game to me, it is the immersive embodiment of a lifelong passion. I read every book I can find on WW2, buy all the collector videos, study works on Fighter Combat and first hand accounts. Several members of my family fought for the British in WW2, this is my way of remembering them, and paying tribute to their sacrafice. It's almost a religous experience for me, for that I give my ultimate best effort, it goes far beyond mere idle entertainment...

Zazen I read that, kicked back in my chair, shook my head and said to myself.. "Jeez this guys a full blown geek"

Then I looked around and saw the six WWII aircraft and the Huey hanging in my den..along with the signed litho's..

Sat and admired my own wittle nazi's that adorn my computer area....the Tiger tank on my scanner..

Went into the kitchen to grab a cheap cold one and saw the M40 helmut I'm in the process of painting and aging..

And came to the cold hard realization THAT I'M A FUGGIN GEEK TOO !!!
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« Reply #121 on: February 02, 2004, 08:30:27 PM »
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And all that says is a lot of guys are doing the work down low, while you wait to cherry pick.  What kind of 'teammate" does that make you?  It implies that you are so intent on your score, and your own 'dream', that a pilot in trouble shouldn't expect your help.

So that means you are high alt, in the fastest ride you can find.


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Not at all, I almost never go above 20k, my favorite A vs. A plane is the Typhoon which sucks up high, I like to keep it under 18k actually. I will drop to deck to clear anyone's six. I have the K/D I do because I have great SA. In fact, I consider clearing peoples' sixes a top priority, nice juicy fixated target ;) Nothing I do requires I stay at 30k and don't help anyone.

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« Reply #122 on: February 02, 2004, 08:48:20 PM »
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"Anyhow, Aces High represents the crowning jewel of a life-long obsession I have had with World War 2 history. It is more than a video game to me, it is the immersive embodiment of a lifelong passion. I read every book I can find on WW2, buy all the collector videos, study works on Fighter Combat and first hand accounts. Several members of my family fought for the British in WW2, this is my way of remembering them, and paying tribute to their sacrafice. It's almost a religous experience for me, for that I give my ultimate best effort, it goes far beyond mere idle entertainment...

Zazen I read that, kicked back in my chair, shook my head and said to myself.. "Jeez this guys a full blown geek"

Then I looked around and saw the six WWII aircraft and the Huey hanging in my den..along with the signed litho's..

Sat and admired my own wittle nazi's that adorn my computer area....the Tiger tank on my scanner..

Went into the kitchen to grab a cheap cold one and saw the M40 helmut I'm in the process of painting and aging..

And came to the cold hard realization THAT I'M A FUGGIN GEEK TOO !!!


That's funny, you sound like me. I painted my office sky blue, just so all my hand painted models looked like they were in the air :)
I just love the history of World War 2, and AH is the closest I can get to living it. I get goosebumps everytime I take-off. Wish I could explain it better, people misunderstand me, I think. ;)

It's not just a matter of being a geek, it's about being passionate about something. I am far from a geek in other areas of my life. I am one of the best pool players in my city of half a million people. I am just as passionate about my 9 Ball game as I am about AH

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« Reply #123 on: February 02, 2004, 09:02:54 PM »
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AKAK - wrong again , sorry to disappoint, had 86 kills in ostwind and 1 kill in a field gun of my 304 kills.The 86 ostwind kills were all aircraft and I did that in only 36 sorties landing 31 of those 36 sorties. ;)
 
Anyways, I am not disputing Shane and I have divergent styles, but he was the one that posted his kill stats to make a point. I was merely commenting on them while providing mine for some comparison and perspective. Shane's kills were almost entirely in P51D and La7 does that make those kills count any less? I think not. This entire post is based on Total kills.

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Again, lets put this in perspective using your stats.  135 of your 304 kills last campaign were either in a ground vehicle or in a manned gun (you forgot the 48 kills you had as a ship's gunner).  So only 169 of your kills were in a fighter.  

Does the fact the majority of Shane's kills were done while flying a P-51 or La7 diminish his abilities?  Nope, because I'm one of those "It's the pilot and not the plane" kind of people.  

Now does the fact that almost half of your kills last tour were in either a GV or manned gun diminish your kills?  Yes they do.  Why?  Because you posted this thread thumping your chest to get people to recognize what a uber-l337 pilot you are by posting the country stats and then to later confirm your uber status by posting your kill stats in rebuttal to Shane.  The fact is that Shane's stats are derived from air to air combat, while yours is from manning acks and GVs and then occasionally cherry picking and running away in a plane.  So by looking at the stats of Shane's and yours, it's easy to spot the better pilot and it's not you.

I wonder what your Fighter vs. Fighter stats would be after a tour?  Probably not good enough to post another feeble chest thumping post like this one.


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« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2004, 09:33:06 PM »
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Again, lets put this in perspective using your stats.  135 of your 304 kills last campaign were either in a ground vehicle or in a manned gun (you forgot the 48 kills you had as a ship's gunner).  So only 169 of your kills were in a fighter.  

Does the fact the majority of Shane's kills were done while flying a P-51 or La7 diminish his abilities?  Nope, because I'm one of those "It's the pilot and not the plane" kind of people.  

Now does the fact that almost half of your kills last tour were in either a GV or manned gun diminish your kills?  Yes they do.  Why?  Because you posted this thread thumping your chest to get people to recognize what a uber-l337 pilot you are by posting the country stats and then to later confirm your uber status by posting your kill stats in rebuttal to Shane.  The fact is that Shane's stats are derived from air to air combat, while yours is from manning acks and GVs and then occasionally cherry picking and running away in a plane.  So by looking at the stats of Shane's and yours, it's easy to spot the better pilot and it's not you.

I wonder what your Fighter vs. Fighter stats would be after a tour?  Probably not good enough to post another feeble chest thumping post like this one.


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First of all, we were never talking about air to air kills only. Where you got that notion I have no clue. Secondly, I wasn't chest thumping, I was expressing my individual statistics in the same format as I expressed the overall statistics, in a word TOTAL kills, which is what this entire thread is about. I never said I was a better anything than anyone, your imagination spewed that forth. I was just demonstrating that Shane's 3 to 1 K/D, as he put it, didn't "keep Rooks stats down" as much as my 18 to 1 K/D helped keep Rooks stats up, period. Whether I got my kills in a La7, Ostwind, a golf cart, or bungie jumping nude, for the purpose of this post about 2003 TOTAL kills my 18 to 1 K/D is 18 X the mean average, his 3 to 1 K/D is only 3 X the mean average.

I have dueled Shane, and knew him for ages in AWFR, I KNOW with great certainty he is a great pilot. He's spanked me enough times to be sure. I was using his post to illustrate an abstract point regarding my statisctical research and relative impact.


You dislike me as a person so are reading a bunch of crap into posts that only exist in your mind. I hate you , you hate me, deal with it and move on.
Oh, and since you asked, my K/D just in Fighters was 12.1 to 1.

Zazen

P.S. AK-AK, I outranked you in fighter again this camp..neener-neener :aok
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« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2004, 10:02:01 PM »
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I am one of the best pool players in my city of half a million people.
Zazen


Well..

Now we're getting down to it.

I'm slow, I see the purpose now..

The smoke has all been cleared up with that statement.

I see what it's all about.

Zazen..

I have to have my boxer shorts customed tailered.  This is done to make allowances for Thumper..

Mr. Happy..

I mean if you gonna talk the walk, let's see the meat..

It's the same in every game. The good ones don't do the talking, the people that have fought them do..

Everyone knows..who the good ones are.

If you have to point it out, you got a long way to go..
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« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2004, 10:31:21 PM »
was Rook since they were in the bucket early last year, switched to Knights last tour cause it looked like they could use another 1. Haven't had problems creating shots so far.

interesting insight into your personality Zazen...tho you must realize this all makes great bbs material for every other type A out there to go hang an obnoxious kill ratio on the rooks in February.

cya up.  :aok
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« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2004, 10:47:09 PM »
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was Rook since they were in the bucket early last year, switched to Knights last tour cause it looked like they could use another 1. Haven't had problems creating shots so far.

interesting insight into your personality Zazen...tho you must realize this all makes great bbs material for every other type A out there to go hang an obnoxious kill ratio on the rooks in February.

cya up.  :aok


That's what I'm hoping ;) The more people flying realistically the better, regardless of what country they fly for :D

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« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2004, 10:51:23 PM »
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P.S. AK-AK, I outranked you in fighter again this camp..neener-neener :aok



Since I never have and never will play for rank, what your rank is of no relevance to me.  Nor does your higher fighter rank mean you're a good pilot.  I, like the majority in this thread, can easily out fly and out fight you.



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« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2004, 10:58:25 PM »
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Well..

Now we're getting down to it.

I'm slow, I see the purpose now..

The smoke has all been cleared up with that statement.

I see what it's all about.

Zazen..

I have to have my boxer shorts customed tailered.  This is done to make allowances for Thumper..

Mr. Happy..

I mean if you gonna talk the walk, let's see the meat..

It's the same in every game. The good ones don't do the talking, the people that have fought them do..

Everyone knows..who the good ones are.

If you have to point it out, you got a long way to go..


Has nothing to do with talking about it, just illustrating that being passionate about something, even something other than AH creates success and that success in turn feeds the passion.

Strangley playing pool helps my AH and AH helps my pool game, it's all about angles and deflection in both.

As far as my prowess at AH is concerned, I know I am no where near the best, never pretended to be. Most of the serious players have been playing AH 3 times as long as myself. What I am trying to promote in this thread and others is a more conscientious AH that serves to create an atmosphere more closely resembling the era we are simulating, not one that detracts from it. I believe HiTech thinks along a similiar vein, that is how the Tour of Duty concept was conceived.

I love AH, I love the community, this genre and specifically this product has tremendous promise. We must just be wary of selling ourselves and the experience short for the sake of a short sighted lust for immediate gratification.

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« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2004, 10:59:30 PM »
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Since I never have and never will play for rank, what your rank is of no relevance to me.  Nor does your higher fighter rank mean you're a good pilot.  I, like the majority in this thread, can easily out fly and out fight you.



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SUUUUREEEEEE! ;)

Whatever you say Mr. Wonderful :D

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« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2004, 11:04:50 PM »
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Zazen, it's great that you enjoy and find success in your efforts to fly in a way that you term "realistically".  I'm glad you found a way to have fun and enjoy striving for certain goals.

But Zazen the point you are missing, and the opposite of the one you are trying to make is:  there is no better style of flying than the other.

Your desire for immersion, and how seriously you take your K/D is great for you.  But to label other flying styles as unrealistic and "stupid"  is downright egocentric.

Look, I'm not trying to rain on your parade.  Go ahead and revel in your K/D, I congratulate you in that you are having fun,   let the others have fun the way they choose... no need to be critical  of others.
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« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2004, 11:29:06 PM »
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Zazen, it's great that you enjoy and find success in your efforts to fly in a way that you term "realistically".  I'm glad you found a way to have fun and enjoy striving for certain goals.

But Zazen the point you are missing, and the opposite of the one you are trying to make is:  there is no better style of flying than the other.

Your desire for immersion, and how seriously you take your K/D is great for you.  But to label other flying styles as unrealistic and "stupid"  is downright egocentric.

Look, I'm not trying to rain on your parade.  Go ahead and revel in your K/D, I congratulate you in that you are having fun,   let the others have fun the way they choose... no need to be critical  of others.


The only people I would refer to as stupid are those that choose to fly a particular way then get on this board and piss and moan because they get cherry picked or whatever. That to me is rediculous. I would never presume to tell anyone how to fly, but if you want to fly low, slow, into  a horde of enemy don't whine for days because some Rook in a higher P51D comes by a cherry picks you. Which is exactly what that last thread was all about.

It's not so much about revelling in a ratio as it is cultivating an environment that is conducive to bringing about a more multi-faceted experience. It's becoming apparent that this is becoming like that book , "Men are From Mars, Women Are From Venus", where neither side will ever fully understand the other. The reasons people play AH over any other of the hundreds of massively multiplayer games out there are many. Obviously, as far as HTC is concerned that is a good thing as it brings more $ which in turn allow him to develop the product further.

But, as some noted when AW went from hourly to flat rate as more people, who would not ordinarily choose this type of product, do so it does  not necessarily enhance the experience. In fact, usually, as we saw with the free trial HTC had a year or so ago (not the 2 week standard one), opening the flood gates actually makes the gaming experience generally worse for everyone, regardless of individual motives for playing. The general purpose of these posts is to remind everyone not to get lazy and let AH devolve into Air Quake, that just happens to involve WW2 genre equipment. It deserves better than that, a little respect and reverence of a bygone era goes a long way.

I would happily pay $29.95/month if it meant people who only play AH to be spoilers, with no other motive for playing than pissin' in other peoples cornflakes, would move on to something else. That is not to say there is no place for the casual part time player, players like gritz, who fly low and get into furballs with no consideration for survival. His motive is still the love of airiel combat. But, if you are just looking to crash parties or get a quick adrenalin fix there are countless hundreds of games that are free play that would serve that end much better.

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« Reply #133 on: February 03, 2004, 12:53:04 AM »
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Well..

Now we're getting down to it.

I have to have my boxer shorts customed tailered.  This is done to make allowances for Thumper..

Mr. Happy..

I mean if you gonna talk the walk, let's see the meat..



Poopster......... Let's not :D.
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« Reply #134 on: February 03, 2004, 08:15:47 AM »
I think what pisses most people off is the neurotic, timid gamers who look for loopholes in the game and use every advantage and try to mask it with the term "realistic" when "realistic' is the last thing they want.  They fly the fastest planes and do everything in the world to avoid a fair fight... when the pressure of being so pompous and uptight gets to be too much for them they get a "shades" account because... they adctually think that people care about their "realistc" timid persona or.... even know who it is.

pitiful... as DMF says.... gawd what a tard!    Can you imagine being around this guy in person?  

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