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« on: February 03, 2004, 11:43:16 PM »
New By Reuters

By Mary Milliken

Montevideo, Urguay - The scuttled Nazi Battleship "Admiral Graf Spee" has withstood the silt and currents at the mouth of the River Plate for more than 60 years while waiting for someone to salvage it.  Most of the Graf Spee survivors have died and only octogenarians in the Urugayan capital of Montevideo can recall watching one of the first naval clashes of World War II unfold on their sleepy shores.
But the legend of the pride of the Nazi fleet continues to inspire younger geneartions, and this week a team of divers will begin raising pieces of the pocket battleship -- a smaller, lighter version of a conventional warship -- out of the River Plate estuary in a project expected to take years
"It was a masterpiece in its time," said Mensun Bound, a marine archeologist from Oxford University weaned on tales of the Battle of River Plate.
"And it doesn't have a dark histroy, Its captain was a man of great dignity and honor.  It was a battle in which both sides came out their honor intact."
Under the command of Capt. Hans Langsdorff, the Graf Spee sank nine commercial vessels in the Atlantic in late 1939 but alwas gave the crews time to evacuate the shios.
The British navy dispatched three ships -- HMS Exeter, HMS Achilles and HMS Ajax -- to the Uruguayan coast and on December 13, 1939, they sighted and attacked the Graf Spee.
Langsdorff took his badly damaged ship to port in Montevideo, where he was allowed to bury 36 dead sailors.  His loyalty to Nazi leaders was questioned when he gave the old German naval salute at the funeral instead of the Nazi salute.  Neutral Uruguay, under intense diplomatic pressure from British, then ordered the Graf Spee out to sea after 72 hours.
"I went down to the port the morning they left," said Maria Eleonor Ramis, 83, one of the estimated 750,000 people who watched events on the shore that day."  It was very sad because the sailors were all so young, 18 and 19 years old.


'THE WHOLE WORLD WAS WATCHING'

Believing he would be met by a beefed-up British fleet, Langsdorff evacuated his men to ships headed to Argentina, then sank the Graf Spee with explosives to stop it from falling into enemy hands.
"It was an event that the whole world was watching," said Cristina Maldonado, a historian at Montevideo's Naval Museum.
Two days after scuttling his ships, Langesdorff took his own life in Buenos Aires.

They said they would raise the ship hull and would restore everything on the ship and sent them to Museum.  This is getting little weird about this.  I just found this on Dish News and i thought most of you people probably would like to know this or not.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2004, 12:46:58 AM »
Lol "Two days after scuttling his ships, Langesdorff took his own life in Buenos Aires. "

What a Nazi dork. His legend lives on in a bad AH BBS post.

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2004, 12:55:34 AM »
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What a Nazi dork. His legend lives on in a bad AH BBS post.
Fool.

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His loyalty to Nazi leaders was questioned when he gave the old German naval salute at the funeral instead of the Nazi salute.



You sure about that, Creamo?
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2004, 01:03:23 AM »
Almost an unparralleled act of military cowardice.
One of 2 major surface units that his country had and he blew it up instead of fighting.

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2004, 01:07:41 AM »
Heh Pongo. I like it.

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2004, 01:23:55 AM »
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Lol "Two days after scuttling his ships, Langesdorff took his own life in Buenos Aires. "

What a Nazi dork. His legend lives on in a bad AH BBS post.

Fool.
I dont know if that story is true or not but i just post here to see what i am confused that why he blow up his ship and killed him self instead giving ship to allies.   :confused:
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2004, 01:50:43 AM »
The battle was broadcast live on the radio while it was happening. Graf Spee was scuttled in shallow water at the mouth of the Rio Plata, and it's superstructure was visible for many years.  My Dad was in the merchant marine at the time, and told me he saw the remains during one of his voyages to Buenos Aires.  (His route also took him past Devil's Island while it was still being used as a penal colony.  He said he could see the lights on the island when they went by during night.  That's another story...he had some adventures, including a one month stay in an old fort where Indians lived.  This was in Pernambuco, Brazil, where their ship intentionally beached to repair hull damage from running upon a reef.)

As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, events unfolded this way.

The German crew of the Graf Spee sailed as far as the scuttle point, where they were told to abandon ship...leaving Capt. Langsdorf on board with a few crewmen to scuttle the ship.  After which many, if not the entire crew except for the captain, lived out the remainder of the war in Uruguay, a neutral country.  They were out of the war, and couldn't have had a luckier break.  South America was friendly torward the Germans, and the place was about as close to paradise as you could get.

Btw, Buenos Aires was considered one of the most modern cities in the world at the time, and it is across the river from Montevideo.




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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2004, 10:43:12 AM »
Graf Spee fell victim to British intelligence as far as I know.
They knew that the Germans were tapping the British embassy lines in Buenos Aires,so they put through some information stating that a Battleship supported British group would be waiting for the Graf Spee as soon as she would exit.
The Captain was a renowned gentleman,and the British actually gave full honors to his funeral!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2004, 10:47:53 AM »
So did the british manage to sink any german warships? turns out the bismark was intentionally sunk and so was the graf spree.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2004, 11:16:39 AM »
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So did the british manage to sink any german warships? turns out the bismark was intentionally sunk and so was the graf spree.


Flip over the Tirpitz and molest some destroyers in varying ways?

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2004, 11:27:49 AM »
Scuttling the Bismarck was also not really necessary, the ship was already going down. The Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were both sunk I belive. Prinz Eugen survived, but I am not sure about Admiral Hipper, Lutzow, and some more.
Most German warships in general were sunk (the bigger ones I mean), there of most by the Brits.
Are there any surviving? And where then?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2004, 05:35:34 PM »
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Scuttling the Bismarck was also not really necessary, the ship was already going down. The Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were both sunk I belive. Prinz Eugen survived, but I am not sure about Admiral Hipper, Lutzow, and some more.
Most German warships in general were sunk (the bigger ones I mean), there of most by the Brits.
Are there any surviving? And where then?


Prinz Eugen survived the war only to be destroyed during the atomic bomb testing at Bikini Atoll... silly Americans always blowing s**t up.  :)

Wasn't it the Bismark that the PE collided with and lost its stern? or was it the bow? Can't remember which, but it was out of action for quite some time.

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2004, 07:21:17 PM »
Never heard that. I recall reading about one major German ship being used as a floating gun battery in the final defense against the Russians, - that may have been the PE.
Anyway, as a thing of interest, the PE survived the initial blasts at Bikini, only to be scuttled later by the Americans.
The class was Cruiser, 14000 tonnes, heavier than the much bigger toothed pocket battleships. 3 in the line, PE, Hipper and Blucher. Not sure what happened to Hipper, but Blucher was sunk by a Norwegian Shore Battery (19th century thing) while entering the Oslo Fjord en route to Oslo loaded with VIP's!!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2004, 01:24:40 AM »
i find this funny...

a word i have never seen or heard of in that 'ripsnort-n-paste'

octogenarians

did a search on the board and lo and behold:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71545&highlight=octogenarians

wow yous all are some lerned der folks, wit some biggun words yous be using.
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2004, 05:25:46 AM »
Extremly Brave Fairway Swordfish Topredos Bi Planes KILLED the Bismark....


There torpedos smashed the Rudder and a prop...thsi aloud it to be pummled to death..


I cant beleive you would fly a abiplane into a ship w/ tht many guns...


you guys ever see History channel recretIon of Bismark Sininkn ad cAmera footage of sunk bismark..baddddasssssss