Wash your mouth out

[Seraphim]

One fine day flyin across the way.....happened to fly into an enemy base, about 12k.....Being a knight, we were naturally outnumbered, so what the hell - let's go in and die!
Since the numbers were about 5 to 1, I figured I should killas many of em as I can. Strafe the runway, got 1......by now there's spits, la7s, and most other planes. Woohoo! let's see what we can do. get in a turn fight, and few allies around to draw em off (hopefully) but lo n behold....an La7 about to HO! Alright since I'm a niki I have about a 50% chance. Splashed him! I'm happy since I normally die quickly......So, lookin round tryin to get out, I glance at chan 1. 'You ***** Cheater Seraphim! thats why you have good rank You cheater!'
Surprised? I am, especially since 99% of the flyers have shot me down easily. Not the 1st time, but I still couldn't help bein a bit flattered.
Until he drags it out......and drags it out.....I tried to make some humor to alieviate the situation, but some people just can't stand being shot down . (imagine that!!!)
I'm sure a few of you have been there, and I hear from one of his contrymen it will be reported to skuzzy.
Now, I understand about this whole lag thing, many times I wanted to say 'cheater', but since I'm not that great of a pilot, I figured the enemy knows a bit more than me about who/what they are fighting with/against. I can't imagine getting any satisfaction from winning by cheating personally, yet there are some who love to accuse because of lag or just sheer luck.
So I think I'll just keep flying, and next time I shoot down ***(you know who you are) I'll just have to keep laughing !!!

P.S. I was shot down about a minute later.....

[Tumor]

I could be wrong, but I got to the point that I believed the "instant warp just as you squeezed the trigger" thing was not a cheat but possibly connected to sound somehow.

Seem's to fit.  The computer does afterall have to think for a second as your gun sounds engage, and the "warps" usually weren't really bad... just enough to usually get the target out of the kill zone.

Never not once did I ever see a plane warp drastically without firmly believing it was net-lag induced.

But... AH is an online computer game and prone to hacks just like every single other online game.  To think it's not is actually extremely naive, however we know HTC watches that stuff closely.

[TweetyBird]

No one ever accuses me of cheating

Must because I have an air of honesty about me...yea thats it:)
Has nothing to do with those pieces flying off my plane.
...constantly wondering "hmm, did I need that?"

[HavocTM]

Here's the film(be sure and turn icons on):

http://www.bops.us/films/film15.ahf

Duplicated it six times before filming, twice more on film.


Now let's see if we can fix it please.

[TweetyBird]

I have a film also, I would like someone at HTC to look at. In this flight an f6 ditched in excess of 200knts - real close to 250. I went back to play the film to see if I saw what I thought I saw. The film wont play. It just shows a tower view - no radio traffic, no vox, nothing, yet its 2mb long. This is the first time I've ever had a film do this, and its probably something easily explained. If I send you the film, can you tell me why it won't play?

Edit: after thinking about it, it might be a problem with the map. I know Fester posted the map had some problems. So I'll chalk it up to that. But if you you want to look at the film, I'll send it tot you.

[rpm]

Yes, it's a map problem (filming on Fester's map). Mine did the same thing. Yes you can cheat with a cable modem. Lock me, ban me or whatever...it's out there and it's being exploited. I flew with Havoc in the MA and we duplicated it on demand (not in NME contact, so no cries of US cheating). It's not a disco death, it's being able to warp and live.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by rpm371
It's not a disco death, it's being able to warp and live.

Also known as being a complete and total loser.

These jerkoffs should be banned from the internet.

[Sundowner]

Big Cup of STFU

Is it me or did it suddenly get quiet in here? lmao

[GScholz]

This is the "cheat" that produce the "warp to six" and the planes flying through mountains or under ground. It is unfortunately nearly impossible to do something about since it is just deliberate or "forced" lag. I tested my theory in the TA when I became suspicious of an La-7 that seemed to fly underground, or otherwise disappear as soon as I got on his tail, just to reappear somewhere else. I won't tell you how it's done, but I can say it is possible to interrupt communications with the server for about seven seconds without being "discoed", and in that time you can do all sorts of turning while your plane on the enemy's FE flies straight (on the last course you had before you cut the link to the server). When you reengage communication to the server you instantly warp to your new position". The "warp to six" can be done if you have a con on your six that is gaining slowly on you. You just do the "thing" and cut throttle. On the enemy's FE you seem to continue going straight at a constant speed, while on your FE you are slowing down. After a few seconds you reengage communication with the server and "warp" behind the con who thinks you just disappeared only to find his plane disintegrating from your fire.

Using the inherit weaknesses of the system like this is definitely cheating in my book, and the only way to catch a cheater like this is by filming your fights and sending the film to HTC. If HTC get many complaints about the same player, one can safely say that he/she is cheating or have a connection too unstable to play this game.

[HavocTM]

On a serious note, just to reiterate what we said in the film, we do NOT condone cheating in any form.  It's dishonorable and sucks the fun out of the game.

The cheat is a result of packet loss, which causes the server to lose track of your plane.  When the connection is restored, the position is instantly updated, thus the warp.

This same situation happens when you have a crappy connection, but in that situation it is unintentional.  I assume that since AH relies primarily on a stateless (but very efficient) UDP connection, there is nothing that can be done.  However, I feel it is incumbent on us to film and report the cheaters.

As far as I know, the intentional warp only happens with cable modems.

I think if someone is caught doing this, they should receive a stern warning or suspension the first time, and a ban if it happens again.  

Ultimately, the decision is up to HTC and my point in starting this thread was to raise awareness.  We don't tolerate vulgarity, racism, or sexism, and I think this should be on the same level.

Havoc

[GScholz]

It doesn't matter what modem you have, I've got ADSL. There are many ways to interrupt the connection, and with all the new "generation X" players joining I expect increased cheating in the future. It's just the way it is. Happened with CT and every other multiplayer game out there. It is bound to happen here too. The question is what will HTC do about it?

[Sundowner]

It doesn't matter what modem you have, I've got ADSL. There are many ways to interrupt the connection

Proof of this being done w/ADSL or any other connect method has not been posted.
Only cable.

[GScholz]

I have done it with ADSL!!! (testing in the TA)

[GScholz]

The type or make of modem and/or internet connection is irrelevant. There are plenty of ways to interrupt the connection without turning off the modem. All that is needed is some basic networking knowledge. It is extremely simple, which is why I fear for the future of AH.

[Sundowner]

I have done it with ADSL!!! (testing in the TA)

Please post your evidence of this.
Like I said it's never been proven.