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Offline Reschke

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The "Second Wind" comes to the CT on February 6th
« on: February 04, 2004, 03:09:06 PM »

http://www.jollyrogers.info/second_wind.html

Finally the combined Allied forces in the Pacific are ready to mount an assault deep into the Empire's backyard. It's been a long hard war with many losses and setbacks. The campaign in Europe has finally ground to a conclusion. All available resources have been sent to deal with the Japanese.

Situated only 360 miles from the Home Islands the Imperial Japanese Command has designated that Okinawa is to be a key component of the inner defensive ring around Japan. They have massed forces such as suicide boats and submarines all around the island in a last ditch effort to push back the Allied advance. Their best men and equipment stand ready.

For nearly 1 year the Allies have struggled to get to this point. This attack is to be the largest that the war has ever seen.

Allied Intelligence has told all air units to be on the lookout for unusual contacts. It is feared that the technology the Germans employed prior to their defeat may have been shared with the Japanese.

A flight of four U.S. Navy Corsairs confirmed that fear with a radio transmission prior to their loss:

"Henhouse this is Blue one, we have contacts ... high speed contrails ... holy .."

"Say again, Blue one"

"These contacts are amazingly fast. Like nothing I've ever seen ... Danny break!"

"Blue one ... say again. Are you engaged with the contacts?"

"Roger Henhouse. We are under attack."

"Say again your coordinates, Blue one .... "

(radio silence)

"Blue one are you there?"

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Admiral Halsey sat back in his chair after reading the intelligence memo and closed his eyes.

"It's worse than we thought then, isn't it Bob?"

Halsey's chief of staff, Rear Admiral Robert Carney looked deadly serious.

"Yes sir. The Japanese are much farther along in jet aircraft production than was previously estimated."

"Dammit to hell! Intel really screwed the pooch on this one. We've got Japanese jets flying all over Okinawa! Any word on our own? What have we got to meet them head on?"

"We just don't have the strips to operate our P-80s off of ... nor the British Meteors for that matter. Besides, even if we did, those "Shooting Stars" have short legs and are maintenance nightmares ... hell, most of the Air Corps pilots call it a death trap anyhow. The Fireball project fell behind when funding was transferred after ..."

"Yes, I know ... after we damned near blew up New Mexico. I wish those politicians and scientists eager to build big bombs we can't even deliver would stop taking money from the projects that WOULD help end this war, dammit!

So we're going to have to fight jet aircraft with prop planes. Well get ComAirSouthPac on the horn and apprise him of the situation. See if he can have something for me ASAP. If we can't fly as fast as the enemy we damned well better have him surrounded. I don't want any more scouting patrols jumped. From now on we operate in force."
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The planeset for both sides
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Japan
Me 262 (reskinned to represent Karyu) Perked to 10 points and limited bases
Me 163 (reskinned to represent J8M) Perked to 5 points and limited bases
Ar 234 (reskinned ) NO PERKS but limited bases
N1K 2J George
Ki 61 Tony
A6M2 Zeke
A6M5 Zero
Val
Kate
Ki 67 Peggy
C47 for troop and supply

Here is the airbase layout for the Karyu (Me-262). Base locations of 10,18,24,26,29,30,32,34,37. The last four bases are all in the North of the map and on 2-3 islands.

Here is the airbase layout for the Nitaka (Ar-234). Base locations of 10,13,18,24,29,30,32,34,37. Again the last four bases are all in the northern most area of the map.

Here is the airbase layout for the J8M (Me-163). Base locations of 10,12,13,18,20,26,32,34,37. Simply because it would have been a "simpler" aircraft to build and put in place easier than the more complicated jet aircraft.

All other Imperial Japanese aircraft are placed at all available bases on the map and the vehicles are available at all bases as well.



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Allies
C47 for troop and supply

U.S.N.
F4U-4
F4U-C
F6F-5
TBM

U.S.A.A.C
P-51D
P-47D-30
P-38L
B-17G

The Royals
Tempest
Spitfire 14

All US and RAF aircraft are available from the single US base that is controlled to the west of Okinawa. USN aircraft and RN are available on carriers.
 

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Vehicles Available:
Both sides will have all M class vehicles available
Tigers ARE NOT AVAILABLE!
Fleets 1,3,4 and 5 are active the others are bugged and will be moved to locations far away as Rook. Japanese Fleet is ok for the setup.
Fuel Burn Rate of .5[/COLOR]
Following settings from Bradys previous Okinawa setups:

Fleat hardness will by 50% of MA standard, 4k for a Cv and 750 pounds for any other ship.

All bases have SB's they will be set to 5k, as apposed to 4k which is their default setting.

The Ack gun hardenss will be increased to 50KG.

Ack is set at .7 as is normal in the CT.

Dot dar will be at 20 miles for enemy and unlimited for friendly.

500 foot height for dar.

Thanks to Slash27 for the initial idea; Arlo for the write up and the website; Dux for the new skins; Brady for the ideas on perks and opposition thinking; Squire and TheBug for being opposition and helping us rethink some stuff; Rafe35 for some information and links. (Geez what kind of grammar is that.)

This was truly a joint work of many people digging up information and I appreciate having had the chance to work with all of them on this; since it was the first true collaboration within the CT Development Group.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2004, 08:54:50 PM by Reschke »
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2004, 03:54:48 PM »
I allready love it :D

Don't forget to reset perk points
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2004, 04:22:16 PM »
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Originally posted by artik
I allready love it :D

Don't forget to reset perk points

Let me be the voice of contrariness on this one.  Even contrary to myself.

Allied forces, as scheduled here, are grossly superior to non-jet Japanese forces.  There will be a need for Axis players with lots of perks right from the beginning - or no one will ever build up perks at all on the Axis side.  So I vote (yes, yes, I'm sorry, but I must) not to reset perks.

- oldman (otherwise, could be fun, and I should be there for some of it)

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2004, 04:24:12 PM »
Kewl.
I've been needing a little more time off from the CT.  This looks like as good excuse as any.

Obviously a lot of work went into it, particularly in the skins department.  Not anywhere near my cup 'o tea but shows some effort is going into mixing up stale offerings and raises hopes for the future.

Catch y'all on the next go'round.


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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2004, 04:39:59 PM »
Thanks for trying it:aok

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2004, 05:08:13 PM »
The issue of resetting the perk points was debated for a few days and in the end it was determined that we would leave them alone.

Dennis,

Sorry you aren't going to try it out. You never know what something like this might be like till you try it but if you are out then so be it. Catch you next time around in the CT.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2004, 06:16:58 PM »
I agree with oldman on this one, however, if someone already has 250 perks....why have perks at all? But on the other hand this will keep the MA dweebs out that come in hoping to take advantage of the situation. I say we use this map as an experiment and think about perks next time.

But for now, dont reset perks.
Maybe reset perks to like 150 next time.

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2004, 06:41:04 PM »
Is it even possible to take away perkies without reseting them to zero?

I think in the future that would be the way to go, but we'll see how it goes.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2004, 06:54:36 PM »
A6M-2 is going to rule the skies.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2004, 07:14:56 PM »
A6m5 and the Nik 2j ...this is gonna be Ugly:rofl

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2004, 08:53:28 PM »
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
Is it even possible to take away perkies without reseting them to zero?

I think in the future that would be the way to go, but we'll see how it goes.


We don't know about that Duke. We thought about it and decided to let the perks stay for this setup. Very soon I will have a list of questions on the perk issue for Skuzzy to kick upstairs and get the correct answer on for the future future.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2004, 08:56:08 PM »
i will shoot down atleast 1 262:D
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2004, 09:08:48 PM »
Pretty cool idea. I  have a question. If the bomb didnt work , and the Allies would have had to invade the Home Islands of Japan , and the Japanese managed to get the Karyu , and J8M, in service. Don't you think the USN would have had the F8F Bearcat , the FH1, Phanton "Jet", and the USAAF , would have had the P-80 "Jet"?

 If Japans limited resources could produce all this, while having her ports blockaded , bombed, and no friends to help . Your going to assume  the US couldnt get her own jets in the fight? Don't forget the Brits were fighting Japan as well, wouldnt they have  gotten Gloster Meteors, out of Okinawa along  with USAAF P-80s? Also don't forget the Dehavilland Vampire of Royal Navy carriers, another jet from the class of 46. This isnt even touching the early Soviet jets like the Yak-15, and Mig-9. The Soviets were not going to sit by and not grab as much as they could of the pie.

I know the scenario setup has Halsey saying there are no strips for the RAF/USAAF jets. However  you can bet  seabees, and combat engineers would have had the first piece of Japan captured turned into Nellis AFB.

Sorry Reschke, don't mean to pee on the parade. This was a great idea , it's just a lil too what if. If you had dropped the Jets, and given the Japanese the maybe the LA-5, and LA-7 to represent the KI-100, and KI-84, this would have been a  killer setup. I do appluad and appreciate what your doing though.  For your first setup, you did great.
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« Last Edit: February 04, 2004, 09:13:42 PM by Löwe »

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2004, 09:58:05 PM »
Japanese need La5 to sub as Ki84.  Maybe even the 7 considering that with the 262 perked and with limited bases this will be an allied slaughter party. The 163 will be intrsting but again given its short endurance the perk cost and base limit will hurt a lot. The allies can get F4U4, tempest, chog and spit 14 off carriers for free  while Japanese only have Niki.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2004, 10:03:01 PM by GRUNHERZ »

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2004, 10:43:25 PM »
Wasn't my idea Lowe I just helped form it once they got it rolling.

As we stated though this is strictly an "alternate reality" (AR) setup and it does assume a great many things. This is the first invasion of Okinawa by the Allies and even with suggested setbacks the Allies have steam rolled the Japanese till they reach Okinawa. One early thought on this was to have this attack on Okinawa be a second invasion attempt with the first one having been thrown back into the ocean in 1945 and the Allies having to rebuild and regroup. Since this setup assumes that Japan is going at it alone we also kept the Soviets out of it since they never wanted any part of Japan till the very end when it was already decided who was going to win.

Just think about what would have happened if the B-29 had been cancelled after its crash and burn during early testing. There were no other long range, pressurized cabin bombers on the boards in the early war years that I know of which could have done the job...So how would we (US) have delivered any bombs to Japan other than by carrier forces?

The Spit 14 isn't available off of any carriers in this setup. Plus the fuel burn rate has been reduced to .5 to help the Me-163 has a little longer legs and possibly allow axis drivers get home with any kills they might bag.

As for subbing in more prop aircraft just to fill a role we did look at putting in Fw-190's in skins to represent Ki-100's. But it became apparent that with the jets and 163 going in we thought the Japanese would have a much better go of it against an all prop lineup.
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