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Offline Gman

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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2004, 09:46:32 AM »
Depends on the 1911.  The more you tune it up, the less reliable it gets.  I've had one of John Jardine's Valtros for the last 4 months, they are comparable to a Baer in terms of tuning from the factory.  At 6000 rounds the main safety failed, then broke.  At 14000 rounds I've had to replace the sear spring as the gun was going full auto.

On the other hand, any of the 5 Kimbers I own have yet to have any trouble, but they are not as fast in terms of trigger pull/cycling as my tricked up (internals) Valtro.  My Kimber Super Match has 75,000 rounds through it.

1911's are my personal preference as well, just remember, any gun can and will break at some point.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2004, 10:01:20 AM »
The class I took had some simple rules for buying...

1) quality - you don't want something that'll fall apart or jam
2) comfort - how it fits your hand
3) caliber - more mass = more stopping power
4) concealability - how and wear you plan to wear it

I carry a Glock 22 (.40 cal). When I was shopping, I looked at the Glock and the Sig. Glock fit my hand better. Wanted something in the .40 -.45 range for stopping power.  For carrying, I 've got a belt clip that goes in the front waist band, or I put it in a fanny pack. Downsides of the waist band...can't tuck my shirt in, and it's sometimes difficult to get it in "just the right" position to be comfortable to sit. Downside of the fanny pack...kinda obvious you've got something big in there.

With some of the newer ammo out, you can get decent stopping power with smaller rounds. I've thought about picking up a Walther PPK .380 with prefrags.

9 mm is nice also. The only thing I really dislike about them is it's such a fast round. If you were to use it in a home defense situation it could go through a wall and hit an innocent bystander.

If you're looking specifically for something for home defense, hands down best option...shotgun.

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2004, 10:14:00 AM »
Rip,

If you want to go with a leather holster, look at Galco or Bianchi.

The holster I have for my Colt Officer's Model is a Galco Fletch



And for my Gov't Model, I use an Askins Avenger type by Bianchi



Two other hoslters I really like for big automatics are the Summer Special by Milt Sparks



And the Yaqui Slide by Galco


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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2004, 10:17:22 AM »
What you need before you buy a weapon is some serious instruction from someone qualified to give it  (Assuming this is your first pistol) in firearms safety.

Then take a course related to Concealed Carry and what it entails. You could end up in big trouble if you don't understand what you can and can't do.


Finally, get a lawyer on retainer.  If you shoot someone, even if it saves your life and there are no criminal charges, you're still going to get sued by the family for Wrongful Death and it's going to cost you Big Bucks.

Good luck, and be safe...


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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2004, 10:44:49 AM »
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What you need before you buy a weapon is some serious instruction from some qualified to give it  (Assuming this is your first pistol) in firearms saftey.



To be honest, I never got any pistol instruction, formally (I did have to for hunting though, long rifle)  You see, my father was a Staff Sergeant in the 101st Airborne during the Korean Conflict, so I got his basic training course for firearms at about age 12 (with a .22 pistol, then a .45 once I was big enough to handle it)

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2004, 11:51:58 AM »
I prefer the Glock in the smaller models for ease of concealment. I have 4 now and at one time had another. I have never had any failure of the Glock other than based on ammunition. The cases were reloaded and not properly sized, They wouldn't chamber in a SW either.

The Department I retired from has had extensive Glock experiance and has had no "faliures" of the units staying together or functioning outside of ammunition problems.

The Glock is light and in all the ones I have fired very accurate as it comes out of the box. I do recomend that, whatever you buy, you put at least 500 rounds through it at the range in practice before staking your life on it. This means with the ammunition you intend to carry in it as well. You want to make darn sure that it will shoot where and when you want it to.

Holsters are totally subjective. I used the "mexican carry" most of the time with the pistol tucked inside my waistband on the primary side behind my hip. I have also use the "yaqui slide" as well as a couple pancake, shoulder and hip holsters. Frankly a revolver is a bit more secure in the "mexican carry" style than an auto but I never had a problem. I guess "love handles" are good for something. :p

Caliber is another issue. I would have nothing smaller than 9mm with a GOOD expanding bullet. A .40 is nice and a .45 is ok as well but whatever you use make sure you can shoot it accurately. A miss with a .45 is a lot worse than a hit with a .22 any day.

Also keep in mind that you pay particular attention in your classes as to the circumstance of when NOT to draw and or shoot. If you are not in fear of your life or protecting another directly in fear of their life you had better keep the gun holstered. The liability and finality of a firearm are tremendous and you cannot call the round back once it's launched.

Having said that, it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Just be very careful and sure of the circumstances you are in.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2004, 12:45:11 PM »
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What you need before you buy a weapon is some serious instruction from some qualified to give it  (Assuming this is your first pistol) in firearms saftey.


One of the requirements of getting the license is a 12 hour course.The basic firearms safety I already observe,but they also will show when it is and isn't appropriate to use lethal force.The best scenario of course,is it never having to leave the holster.

What I really like is now I'll be able to wear it to the range,and not have to unload it,store the ammo seperately,etc.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2004, 01:16:20 PM »
Don't want to hijack this thread, very excellent stuff so far, but this will be quick.

Maverick, the reason your department likely experienced so few Glock problems is the same reason why most departments don't:  Cops shoot their service sidearms very little in the course of their service life.

In Calgary here, the Tactical team is shooting 1000 rounds per week through their Glocks.  Guess what?  They are going to a 1911, along with Vancouver city TAC and a bunch of other units, as no matter what ammo you run, the Glocks fail faster than most pistols.

I run a fleet of over 100 rental guns.  Not one Glock has made it past 40,000 rounds, and most last less than 20,000.  I have 8 Glocks at the factory being looked at due to stuff like this -





The only ammunition ever run through any of our firearms is Winchester factory lead free non toxic winclean white box ammo.  This isn't a question of an overpressurized round.  We sell RUAG Seca ammo, and the factory guarnatees that it'll blow up a Glock in 3000 rounds or less, yet run 50,000+ through a steel framed Sig.  We've tested this, and it's true.

I'm not a Glock basher, I own a 26 and a 17, and they make great service pistols as they are easy, safe, and reliable, yet if you plan to shoot a LOT, it isn't the best choice by far, due to the reliability issues.  Again, out of the 20 or so Glock's we've run on the range, every one has had a catostrophic failure on average at 15000-20000 rounds of factory ammunition.


Of the Kimber 1911's and Sig pistols, the only thing I've replaced on any of them is one bushing that went on a Custom 2 in the first 100 rounds, and springs in the Sig pistols.  One 226 is at over 150,000 rounds, and my personal Super Match 1911 is closing in on 100k.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2004, 01:35:11 PM »
Gman, the bottom Glock has a cracked slide, but I can't tell from teh picture what's wrong with the top one.  Is there a crack in the front of the magazine well?

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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2004, 01:40:07 PM »
Frame/rail seperation is the top one.

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2004, 01:44:48 PM »
I just don't trust guns where you can't see most of the parts.

I.E. Glocks.
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2004, 02:38:27 PM »
I too will carry.

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2004, 03:30:34 PM »
I'm looking for a slimmer model.  How good are the PPK's as far as reliablity?  I like my .40cal Kimber Ultra but I don't like CC'n it as it too big for my comfort level...

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2004, 06:52:00 PM »
Almost everyone who own's a Glock knows there is a 'recall' of some of the 3rd generation pistols in the "E" series such as (EGR022).  

 Glock has a toll free number to call to schedule parts replacements.

 This problem is ONLY in the "E" series.

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2004, 06:58:57 PM »
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Oh,and anti-gun people need not post.This topic is about what people carry,and quite frankly I don't give a rat's bellybutton what your opinion on firearms happens to be.


I missed this the first reading...:rofl :aok

I'm putting 200 rounds thru the .40 S&W tomorrow. I'll post my results with some stance, and trigger pressure adjustments (physically, me)