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Offline Sox62

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Concealed carry question.....
« on: February 04, 2004, 10:09:47 PM »
Ohio passed a shall-issue CC law last month.

As a staunch supporter of our constitutional rights,I shall of course apply and receive one.

I'm now looking for a carry gun,as I don't own anything right now that would be easy to conceal(not to mention being heavy).What I want is opinions from people have have a carry license and have ACTUALLY shot their carry weapons,not what you may have read in a magazine.Any and all input is appreciated...

Oh,and anti-gun people need not post.This topic is about what people carry,and quite frankly I don't give a rat's bellybutton what your opinion on firearms happens to be.

Offline Leslie

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2004, 10:29:30 PM »
.38 Detective Special snubnose revolver in a black finish is easily concealable and has adequate firepower.  Doesn't weigh all that much, and if you carry it on your person all the time, that makes a difference.  Plus, the revolver is more reliable and less likely to jam on you than a slide gun.  Keep in mind a revolver will jam if you don't keep it clean.  Don't carry a gun if your revolver ever jams...that means it hasn't been used in a while.

When I was younger, I used to practice a lot.  After 40 or so, eyesight starts going for most people, reflexes slow down, etc...  Most of my friends got rid of their pistols when they had children around.  Didn't want to take any chances.




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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2004, 10:33:21 PM »
The first question is how much experience do you have with pistols?

It really just depends on what you want and what you're comfortable with.  

I have a Colt Officer's Model .45ACP that can be easily used for a carry weapon.  However, because it's simple and easy to use, when I do carry concealed, I use a J-Frame Smith & Wesson 5 shot revolver with a hammer shroud.



It fits inside an Uncle Mike's inside the pants holster:



The combo is small, easy to use because all I have to do is slide the holster inside my pants and it's very stealthy.  It's not a .45 ACP with Hydro-shocks, but for a conceal carry gun, it's adequate.  I leave it in my truck and just slip it in my pants whenever I feel like it.

The same thing can be done with a small auto such as a Walther (although I traded a PPK .380 for a Ruger .22 because the Walther kept taking skin off my thumb).  Or, if you can do it, one of the small frame Glocks or Sigs.

To me,  you want something that is easy to conceal, easy to carry (i.e. put on) and a gun that you're comfortable with.

My best advice is to go to a gun range and shoot several guns until you find a small one you're comforatble with.  Then you have to find a holster that is convienent to use.  Usually an inside the belt type with either a clip for the pants or a snap-loop for your belt.  Galco, Bianchi and Sparks all make first-quality leather holsters if that's what you want.

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2004, 10:45:11 PM »
I should have mentioned,I'm planning on buying an automatic.For whatever reasons,I'm not a big wheelgun fan.

As for going to the range,I plan on doing that.I'm going to try one or two I've been looking at,and any that you might suggest that interest me.The range I go to rents them for $10.I've being considering this...

And this...





Keep the suggestions coming.

Offline AKS\/\/ulfe

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2004, 11:26:28 PM »
IMO, 9s are easier to fire in quick succession. With a larger calibre, I have a hard time firing in quick succession (emptying a 10 clip in 10 seconds) into a decent sized area at decent ranges (100 ft).

My friend, however, had a concealed permit (he let it expire) and carried a Glock .40. That thing had a lock of kick and was difficult for me to keep on target when I was firing quickly.

Really what you should do is head down to your local range and ask them if you can try out (for the price of rounds and maybe a rental) various calibres and see which one you feel most comfortable with.
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Offline Leslie

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2004, 11:45:44 PM »
As Dune said, holsters are a consideration.  There's a device called a "belly band holster" which is about 6" wide with velcro fastener.  Can't remember where I bought mine...from some catalog many moons ago.  Had to modify mine with a shoestring latch over the hammer to hold it in place.  Carried a .44 Bulldog while jogging, and it held it in place very securely.  With this holster, you can carry while on a jogging routine.  Didn't have to have pants with pockets or a belt.  Could use this wearing sweatpants and a sweater.  Was very secure with the shoestring modification.

Don't recomment jogging and carrying, but may be at some point where you'd like to.  This holster works for any concealable pistol.





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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2004, 11:55:49 PM »
S & W 38 snub nose,5 shot,aluminum frame, hammerless, in a inside the belt holster.
even with t-shirt and shorts you can't see it.

and  no , i never had to shoot it in self defense, just the sight of it will turn off most perps.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2004, 12:22:44 AM »
I've taken the Tactical Pistol Instructor course from Sigarms Academy, and I've also taken all of their CCW courses as well as a pile of certs from other schools.  This is not just my hobby, it's my job now - at least one of them anyhow.

My first advice would be to take some training if you haven't already from ANY reputable school, such as Thunder Ranch, Fronsite, Gunsite, Sigarms, ANYWHERE.  Just take some training, regardless if you have L/E or military experience, as CCW stuff is much different from what you would have learned previously.

Secondly, your choice of caliber and firearm should be based on comfort, your hand size, what type of medium you may have to shoot through, such as glass windows in your car, your attackers clothing (heavier/leather in colder climates) etc etc.  There are a lot of factors, but you really can't go wrong with ANY firearm, so long as you have good basic skills in getting it out and using it, in addition to discretion as to when this should occur.

My best advice would be go with what you're already familiar with, and be sure to carry at least ONE extra magazine.  Sigs, Glocks, 1911's, HK's...every major brand out there will have a weapon that can serve you well.  On my range, the Sigs and 1911's outlast everything, I've yet to have a Glock or HK make it past 40,000 rounds, and have pictures on my server of Glocks that have come apart at the serial numbers in under 5000 rounds.    Just be aware any gun can break at an unpredictable time, so having a backup system for CCW and good access to armourers and parts is important to consider.

Sigarms gets feedback from Naval Special Warfare, the FBI, the USSS, you get the picture, as the academy trains all of these units and then some.  The one common thread I've noticed from the feedback these folks give is that people drain ammunition at much greater rates when the **** hits the fan, and many CCW holders in the USA have made the error of not having at least one extra magazine or speedloader.   This is probably the most critical and common mistake.

So, get a good reliable pistol, train with it and practice your CCW draw, malfunction drills, all of the basic stuff, and also get good accessories, such as a VERY good holster and mag pouch.  That brings up the point of how you plan to carry your weapon - Inside the pants, high ride, shoulder rig, small of back, fanny back...they all offer something different and require different drawing techniques so you minimize the chance of you blowing off fingers of your non dominant hand if you have to engage somebody who rushes or grabs you.

You'll want to have yourself trained to be very consistent and fast with your gross motor skills, as every "expert" out there agrees that you'll lose your fine motor skills, be affected by your bodies startle response, get auditory exclusion, and have the lens of your eye flatten out, IF and when you have to engage somebody who is a threat to you.

Also, if you think you may have to go into a higher threat area, consider getting yourself a good back up weapon, such as a very small auto or revolver, and practice as much with it as your primary weapon.

Practice practice practice.  The more you draw up, press that trigger, and verticle track your target , the more likely you'll be to do it right when you need to.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2004, 02:30:51 AM »
Just thought I'd mention this as a matter of safety.  I've heard some fellas say they keep their gun in a vehicle.  Now I used to do this, but it was well concealed in the trunk of a car with no inside the glovebox release button.

When I did carry, I never left my gun in the car, but had it in my pocket if I made a trip to the store, or wherever I went driving and had to get out to go do something...restaurants, meetings, etc.  I didn't carry at all if I was going somewhere I wasn't supposed to have a gun.

The reason for this is safety, to prevent theft of the firearm while away and out of contact with the car and the gun.  One of my friends was almost shot in a nightclub parking lot by someone who had stolen a .25 from a truck in the same parking lot 5 minutes earlier...while the security guard was inside drinking and checking out the scene.

Just seems like Murphy's Law, if something can go wrong, it will, and at the worst possible time.  Just a thought, but felt obligated to cover this base.  





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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2004, 08:21:03 AM »
If you go by the theory that the gun you have with you when you need it is infinetly better than the one you left home because it was a hassle...

the keltec in .32 or the new .380 are pretty good... got to shoot a .32 and it points pretty good.  they are beyond small and light.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2004, 08:23:47 AM »
Lazs, et al, can anyone recommend a good belt holster for the gun range?  ( I don't use this particular pistol for conceal and carry self defense, too large)

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2004, 08:30:00 AM »
yeah... either get a clip for it (goes under the grip and parralels the barrel) or get a kydex (plastic one that clips on) .   Most ranges make you leave the gun open on the table tho.

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2004, 09:02:41 AM »
Really Lazs?  Here in Canada every range I've been to holsters are ok, and a lot of ranges will let you run hot as well.

What Lazs said Rip, get a IPSC style blade holster ($$$), or an Unkle Mikes Kydex holster.  Kydex = cheap and fast to draw from, blade is faster, put you lose retention, not that the kydex has much, and it's more expensive.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2004, 09:21:31 AM »
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Originally posted by Gman
Really Lazs?  Here in Canada every range I've been to holsters are ok, and a lot of ranges will let you run hot as well.

What Lazs said Rip, get a IPSC style blade holster ($$$), or an Unkle Mikes Kydex holster.  Kydex = cheap and fast to draw from, blade is faster, put you lose retention, not that the kydex has much, and it's more expensive.


Thanks, I've seen the Uncle Mikes Kydex clips, reasonably priced.  I'm joining a gun club later this summer (Son wants to go rifle shooting, he's getting a pellet gun this summer) so I will need one.  For now, the "table" is fine at the indoor shooting range.

They turned my plinking spot into a housing development this past winter. :(   I'm forced to go to a range or join a club at this point, or drive an hour to get to a spot where I can shoot.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2004, 09:40:27 AM »
I don't know about you guys, but I don't trust my life to anything other then my 1911.
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