Author Topic: Kill stealing (Read 2465 times)

humble · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2004, 05:32:48 PM »

I'd look at it as kill stealing vs kill chasing...I'm not ever gonna give up alt or E to chase after cripple...and in most rides I'm not gonna waste ammo on something thats obviously damaged...but I'm not gonna let anything that can hurt me live if I can help it...fly long enough and that burning spitty you blew by will light you up sometime....so....if it's in front of me...it gets a love tap or two...if it's fluttering down from above...it gets a love tap but if it's below me...it stays below me.

The counter to this kill stealer crap is all the "dead" planes that keep on going...if I had a nickle for every "nikki down" over vox (that wasnt) I'd play for free...if I had a dollar for everybody those dead nikki's killed I'd have a new puter:)....so....if your in doubt...go ahead and blaze away.

As a final note....we never talk bout the flip side...all those times your tooling home and some poor SOB starts whinning he just bounced a pony (or other ride) and just got an assist. My "record" for that is 4 in one hop...it all goes around.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2004, 05:37:31 PM »

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Originally posted by WldThing
Im sorry Mugz, i wont steal another kill eva! Id hate to be classified as a gamey gamer, cause you know, it might hurt my feelings and all.

FYI what i said is true, if my ammo penetrates the plane before your lead gets there, its all fair in my book.. Hence, if your ammo gets there before mine, good work m8, i wont moan and whine, you stole my kill, since i know on the horizon there will be 20 more..

If Levi and me are flying together in a target rich enviroment, there is no such thing as "kill stealing" the more that is brought down the better. Who ever has their guns on the con shoots, whether its at the same time or not..

Salute

Oldman731 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2004, 07:01:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Flyboy
you only get an assist.

And why should you care?

You know you got the kill. You know that the guy who used up his ammo shooting up the wreck is a dweeb.

So why should you care?

Unless, of course, you are a score person....

- oldman

Blammo · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2004, 07:12:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Its only my Opinion...But
It's very Easy to answer this question.
IF you think there is no such thing. Then YOU most likely are a "Kill Stealer."

Blammo
"Just a note: I don't believe there is such a thing as stealing a kill in the main arena, but maybe I am just naive."

(Kill Stealer) . porlly never intended to pose a question. Just lookin for moral support. Foot note: Conclusion drawn in part from the Posters Avator.

Not at all. Like I said, I don't believe their can be such a thing as "stealing a kill", outside of the examples given where an AC is obviously dead. I just wanted to get a feel for what other AH pilots think on the subject. I would not consider myself a kill stealer and neither would I call anyone that finished off a bandit I was working on a kill stealer. A kill for our side is a kill for our side. If someone gets the bad guy before me, he probably saved me from embarrassing myself by making a mistake and getting shotdown.

AmRaaM · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2004, 07:17:09 PM »

ahhh an art to excel at in your quest for perkage

Mini D · « **Reply #20 on:** February 05, 2004, 07:21:32 PM »

If the first film wasn't clear, this film should help point out exactly what a kill steal is.

MiniD

Zazen13 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2004, 08:04:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Blammo
Not at all. Like I said, I don't believe their can be such a thing as "stealing a kill", outside of the examples given where an AC is obviously dead. I just wanted to get a feel for what other AH pilots think on the subject. I would not consider myself a kill stealer and neither would I call anyone that finished off a bandit I was working on a kill stealer. A kill for our side is a kill for our side. If someone gets the bad guy before me, he probably saved me from embarrassing myself by making a mistake and getting shotdown.

I thought about this some, and got an idea. I doubt it would be terribly hard to program as damage to specific plane parts is already tracked.

How about the person who critically damages a plane, by that I mean renders it non-viable (ie: shoots off an entire wing or tail section, or gets it flaming, not just smoking fuel or oil, flaming planes explode after X seconds), gets the kill regardless of raw damage done. This would prevent the most offensive form of kill stealing, the flaming wreck shooters.

Imagine if in real life a person shot the tail or wing off an enemy plane only to have one of his squadmates chase it as it fluttered down to deck then claimed the kill during mission de-briefing. There'd be some serious problems

Zazen

Toad · « **Reply #22 on:** February 05, 2004, 08:20:03 PM »

My feelings are SOOOOOOOO hurt.

Arlo · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2004, 08:26:29 PM »

I once was able to land and cut the insignia off of a plane my wingman shot down in order to use it as evidence to the CO that I got the kill. Unfortunately I was captured and it was used as evidence against me. I had to sit on the "group W" bench for the rest of the war.

Gunslngr · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2004, 04:02:06 AM »

Not that anyone asked or cares but my opinion is,

#1. No one "owns" any kills. I have flown in arena quite alot
and have never seen "This airplane is the personal Bi'otch
of (pilot name), do not shoot me" written on the side of any
airplane.

#2. If you want a kill, shoot first and keep shooting until he
explodes. The fact that you wish to maximize your ammo
load by leaving a plane smoking and damaged does not
mean that the aircraft is no longer a threat to your fellow
countrymen.

If I had a Snickers Bar for everytime I was shot up by a
"Dead" enemy while the "Killer" followed the enemy
waiting for him to die I would be even fatter than I am now!.

I do agree however that the Kill/Assist threshold modeling could
use some work in that once an aircraft is no longer capable of
controlled flight any further shooting would not reward someone
for shooting a flaming meteor but I still think open season on a
flying cripple.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #25 on:** February 06, 2004, 07:17:50 AM »

Just call "dibs" on the range channel. Anybody else who kills the plane after that point officially steals the kill.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Mugzeee · « **Reply #26 on:** February 06, 2004, 07:23:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslngr

If I had a Snickers Bar for everytime I was shot up by a
"Dead" enemy while the "Killer" followed the enemy
waiting for him to die I would be even fatter than I am now!.

-

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Originally posted by Humble

The counter to this kill stealer crap is all the "dead" planes that keep on going...if I had a nickle for every "nikki down" over vox (that wasnt) I'd play for free...if I had a dollar for everybody those dead nikki's killed I'd have a new puter....so....if your in doubt...go ahead and blaze away. !.

And if i had Gunslngr's snikers bar and Humbles $1.05 for everytime a "Kill Stealer" found an excuse to justify KillStealing. Id be a very FAT man at the Movie Theater every week.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunslngr

I do agree however that the Kill/Assist threshold modeling could
use some work in that once an aircraft is no longer capable of
controlled flight any further shooting would not reward someone
for shooting a flaming meteor but I still think open season on a
flying cripple. [/QUOTE]

Now we are getting somewhere. The simple fact is this. Its ALL HTC's fault. If they hadn't Modeled the "assist" there would be Much less occurance of the so called "KILL STEALING" discussion.
Likewise the Proxy Kill modeling is a joke too. The only valid reason it exist is to prevent ppl from just slammimg their plane into the ground when they know they are beat. NOT WORKING!!!
Its all a big Joke, and as one of our own Aces has stated in his bbs signiture. " Life is a joke and you/WE are the punch line.

dedalos · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2004, 08:37:32 AM »

What is wrong with you people? A plane with a missing tail or with only one wing, is not a threat to anyone. (Radiator damage is diferent. LA7 has a long time before its engine shuts down due to radiator or oil damage)

If you want to shoot a dead plane go ahead. Just don;t make any excuses about it.

Toad · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2004, 08:52:19 AM »

Just updating my rule book, can you give me a hand?

Please order HO, Shoot-Chuting and Kill Stealing from most to least serious in the Pantheon of Cyberspace Gaming AH Evil Criminal deeds.

If those are REALLY bad, should I only use one of my many practice/shades accounts to do it?

Thanks!

VWE · « **Reply #29 on:** February 06, 2004, 08:53:46 AM »

Turn off killshooter, have it as an option you can enable for missions. Give a perk penalty for killin your own country... wait, scratch that... I'd be in the negative terratory asap.

Author Topic: Kill stealing (Read 2465 times)

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