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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: February 06, 2004, 11:08:50 AM »
Kinda interesting.  The govt of vietnam is sueing US companys on the basis that over 3million of its citizens were adversly effected by its use.  My question would be how many citizens were adversly effected by its invasion/aggression?  No scientific study has ever confirmed that dioxin has ever cause any significant health risks to anyone exposed.

Interesting article
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110599,00.html

Offline ra

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2004, 11:17:00 AM »
Let's send Bill Clinton to apologise.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2004, 11:18:04 AM »
REPARATIONS!

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2004, 11:19:06 AM »
I think it has affected the people.. chemicals like that usually do when sprayed in large quantities.
Any chemical is dangerous to human if theres enough of it.
It's just that some arent because you're not going to use those on waste quantities.. like you're not going to use hairspray for several bottles to get your hair straight.

Anyway, these lawsuits against companies are quite stupid.
Like all these lawsuits against german companies merely over half a century after the war, when things were quite a bit different.
Everyone responsible are now DEAD and I doubt companies do have ANY control on that what kind of work force or stuff they produce when goverment tells to.

If someone should be paying, it'd be US Goverment, not the companies doing as goverment tells.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2004, 11:27:07 AM »
Ok here is an interesting story from a personal perspective.

FYI I think its crap that Vietnam is trying to sue the company over something used during wartime by the Government.

The active agent in Agent Orange a defoliant was called 2,4,5 T  and was produced by Monsanto in Nitro WV during Vietnam.  My Grandfather, and my great uncle both worked in the chemical unit that produced this chemical.  I think about 40 people or so worked in this unit during that time, but I may be wrong.

Back during the 60's there was not the knowledge about chemicals we have today, let alone the regulations and worker exposure limits.  So basically if you worked in that unit, you came into contact with it frequently and in large quantities.

Almost every man who worked in that unit died of some form of lung cancer or skin cancer, including my grandfather.  Only two men didn't die of some form of cancer, and both were survivors of cancer.  One of them was my great uncle.  They sued Monsanto in a class action lawsuit back in the 80's when I was a kid, but most of the people were dismissed from the case because of some legal statue of limitations (ie they were already dead and had been dead for a number of years).  But the two survivors won the court case.

So do I think Agent Orange was dangerous and nast? Hell yah.  But what concentration and what exposure does it take to effect you is a matter of great debate.

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2004, 12:15:51 PM »
I guess when it is intentionally sprayed on your skin, your food and your water, it is likely to be higher than a normal unintentional exposure at manufacture.

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2004, 12:27:36 PM »
my whole point is that a country that commited MANY MANY atrocities during a war is sueing for a chemical usage that may or may not be dangerous.  

What would they say if GIs that were mistreated while in captivity sued their govt?

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2004, 12:31:26 PM »
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 I don't know. If Vietnamese spread poison here that killed people and caused babies to be born deformed, would it be a good excuse for them that 600,000 americans were kiled during the Civil War?

 Of corse suing the companies is not righ - they have never made anu claims to the vientanese about the effects of the poison.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2004, 12:43:05 PM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
my whole point is that a country that commited MANY MANY atrocities during a war is sueing for a chemical usage that may or may not be dangerous.  

What would they say if GIs that were mistreated while in captivity sued their govt?


How about bombing of cambodia, that whatever special force team doing attrocities against suspected VC's...  butchering couple of villages....

US GI's werent any G.I holy mary's there either.
US commited SEVERAL war crimes in vietnam.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2004, 12:45:52 PM »
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Originally posted by Fishu
How about bombing of cambodia, that whatever special force team doing attrocities against suspected VC's...  butchering couple of villages....

US GI's werent any G.I holy mary's there either.
US commited SEVERAL war crimes in vietnam.


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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2004, 01:19:34 PM »
Any lawsuits being filed for land mines?


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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2004, 01:38:43 PM »
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Originally posted by Fishu
How about bombing of cambodia, that whatever special force team doing attrocities against suspected VC's...  butchering couple of villages....

US GI's werent any G.I holy mary's there either.
US commited SEVERAL war crimes in vietnam.


This is such a libral response.  US GIs are terrible monsters while the freedom loving good hearted VC and NVA promoted prosperity, wealth, and peace to the vietnamese people.  They never burned entire villages.  They never killed babys.  They never rounded up doctors mayors teachers and religious figures and sumarily educated them for political reasons.  They never went through and conscripted the sons and fathers of familys shooting the ones that refused.  They never raped and killed entire villages just cause they didnt fit into their political agenda

NO the GIs were monsters....

this type of attitude really pisses me off.  FYI only a small percentage of GIs ever committed atrocities.  FYI atrocities happen in war!

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US commited SEVERAL war crimes in vietnam.


THE NORTH COMMITED MORE!

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2004, 02:04:29 PM »
Gunslinger: THE NORTH COMMITED MORE!

 Against whom? Vietnamese? So let them sue each other. How does one excuse another?

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2004, 02:36:43 PM »
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Gunslinger: THE NORTH COMMITED MORE!

 Against whom? Vietnamese? So let them sue each other. How does one excuse another?

 miko


"Against whom?"

South vietnamese, US GIs, and their own people.

All I was saying in my comments was that vietnam complaining about human rights violations is irony at its best.  It would be like japanese sueing boeing for manufacturing the planes that fire-bombed tokyo and dropped the A-bombs.

In adition I'm tired of this attitude that US vietnam vets were complete monsters the north was just as bad if not worse.

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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2004, 02:46:25 PM »
The south vietnamese did not care about the US. They didnt want us there anymore then they wanted the french.
Go read some history gunslinger. We were there to continue to support of a corrupt puppet government.
If the people of south vietnam didnt want them there, they would have fought back. Instead many joined the north faction.