Reagan speech...

[miko2d]

I wish republicans listened to him.

Ronald Reagan: A Time for Choosing Speech, 1964

I am going to talk of controversial things. I make no apology for this.
It's time we asked ourselves if we still know the freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers. James Madison said, "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self government."
This idea? that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.
You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."
The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.
Public servants say, always with the best of intentions, "What greater service we could render if only we had a little more money and a little more power." But the truth is that outside of its legitimate function, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector.
Yet any time you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we're denounced as being opposed to their humanitarian goals. It seems impossible to legitimately debate their solutions with the assumption that all of us share the desire to help the less fortunate. They tell us we're always "against," never "for" anything.
We are for a provision that destitution should not follow unemployment by reason of old age, and to that end we have accepted Social Security as a step toward meeting the problem. However, we are against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments....
We are for aiding our allies by sharing our material blessings with nations which share our fundamental beliefs, but we are against doling out money government to government, creating bureaucracy, if not socialism, all over the world.
We need true tax reform that will at least make a start toward I restoring for our children the American Dream that wealth is denied to no one, that each individual has the right to fly as high as his strength and ability will take him.... But we can not have such reform while our tax policy is engineered by people who view the tax as a means of achieving changes in our social structure....
Have we the courage and the will to face up to the immorality and discrimination of the progressive tax, and demand a return to traditional proportionate taxation? . . . Today in our country the tax collector's share is 37 cents of -very dollar earned. Freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp.
Are you willing to spend time studying the issues, making yourself aware, and then conveying that information to family and friends? Will you resist the temptation to get a government handout for your community? Realize that the doctor's fight against socialized medicine is your fight. We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients. Recognize that government invasion of public power is eventually an assault upon your own business. If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last.
If all of this seems like a great deal of trouble, think what's at stake. We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation.
They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. Winston Churchill said that "the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits-not animals." And he said, "There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.

 Too bad he has failed. If his children's children think he had justified his existence, most will not dear to admit that in public.  

 miko

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by miko2d
Too bad he has failed. If his children's children think he had justified his existence, most will not dear to admit that in public.  

 miko

He didn't succeed in his lifetime, no.  But he didn't fail - at least not yet.  Only time will tell there.  

A great man, regardless; he is missed.

[Gunslinger]

^are you guys sudgesting that Ronald Reagan was not successfull in his life time?

if so that's the biggest crock I've heard yet on this board.

[Saurdaukar]

Miko's just pissed cause he cant watch Hunt for Red October without tearing up anymore.

[miko2d]

Gunslinger: ^are you guys sudgesting that Ronald Reagan was not successfull in his life time?

 He was not successfull in his time.

 The processes he intended to stop developed uninterrupted.
 Not only that, his wilingness to compromise on the core issues made him endorce the evil he was fighting and be used as a tool.

 His name and reputation were coopted by the very people he opposed and used for purposes contrary to his ideas - as justifications for their views and discreditation of his.

if so that's the biggest crock I've heard yet on this board.

 OK, tell me, who came up with the term "voodoo economics" to denigrade the core of Reagan's views? What did Reagan do to that person?

 miko

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Miko's just pissed cause he cant watch Hunt for Red October without tearing up anymore.

LMAO!

Just for you miko.  Hope the translation is close

The Hymn of the Soviet Union

Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics,
Great Russia has welded forever to stand.
Created in struggle by will of the people,
United and mighty, our Soviet land!

        Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
        Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
        O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
        To Communism's triumph lead us on!

Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead.
To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples,
Inspired them to labor and valorous deed.
[Or, the old way:
Be true to the people, thus Stalin has reared us,
Inspire us to labor and valorous deed!]

        Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
        Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
        O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
        To Communism's triumph lead us on!

In the vict'ry of Communism's deathless ideal,
We see the future of our dear land.
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
Selflessly true we always shall stand!

Dr. Ryan: (In Russian) It is wise to study the ways of
one's adversary. Don't you think?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by miko2d
Gunslinger: ^are you guys sudgesting that Ronald Reagan was not successfull in his life time?

 He was not successfull in his time.

 The processes he intended to stop developed uninterrupted.
 Not only that, his wilingness to compromise on the core issues made him endorce the evil he was fighting and be used as a tool.

 His name and reputation were coopted by the very people he opposed and used for purposes contrary to his ideas - as justifications for their views and discreditation of his.

if so that's the biggest crock I've heard yet on this board.

 OK, tell me, who came up with the term "voodoo economics" to denigrade the core of Reagan's views? What did Reagan do to that person?

 miko

such big words I no understand

[miko2d]

Gunslinger: Just for you miko.  Hope the translation is close

 Come on, what a lousy job. Translation in print? What, too you lazy to find an mp3 link to the real thing?

 Anyway, what's all the uproar? I am very sorry that Reagan failed. I support his views. That's why I posted his speech.

 miko

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by miko2d
Gunslinger: Just for you miko.  Hope the translation is close

 Come on, what a lousy job. Translation in print? What, too you lazy to find an mp3 link to the real thing?

 Anyway, what's all the uproar? I am very sorry that Reagan failed. I support his views. That's why I posted his speech.

 miko

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Soviet National Anthem original text

ГИМН СОВЕТСКОГО СОЮЗА

Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая русь
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

   Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
   Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
   Знамя советское, знамя народное
   пуст от победы к победе ведет!

Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы,
И Ленин великий нам путь озарил:
Нас вырастил Сталин - на верность народу,
на труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил!

   Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
   Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
   Знамя советское, знамя народное
   пуст от победы к победе ведет!

Мы армию нашу растили в сраженьях.
Захватчиков подлых с дороги сметем!
Мы в битвах решаем судьбу поколений,
Мы к славе отчизну свое поведем!

В победе бессмертных идеи коммунизма
Мы видим грядущее нашей страны,
И красному знамени славной Отчизны
Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!

   Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
   Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
   Знамя советское, знамя народное
   пуст от победы к победе ведет!


this good enough?


as far as ronnie goes i'm not even gonn argue.  He was a great American and a great president.  The soviet threat is no more....his doing or not the world was not destroyed 10 times over in a nuke fight and Europe isnt occupied by soviet armor.  Makes me happy

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
as far as ronnie goes i'm not even gonn argue.  He was a great American and a great president.  The soviet threat is no more....his doing or not the world was not destroyed 10 times over in a nuke fight and Europe isnt occupied by soviet armor.  Makes me happy

Reagan was a great man, but that doesn't change the fact that he only slowed the country's descent, instead of reversing it.  In that respect, he failed.  But he believed, and he tried, which is more than most politicians do these days.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Tarmac
Reagan was a great man, but that doesn't change the fact that he only slowed the country's descent, instead of reversing it.  In that respect, he failed.  But he believed, and he tried, which is more than most politicians do these days.

HOW did HE fail?   was it so GREAT befor him?  Descent into what?

[weaselsan]

Funniest story I ever read was how Ronnie's boys tricked
   the Russians into blowing up their own Trans Siberian
   Pipeline.......Largest non nuclear explosion ever seen from
   space.

[Gunslinger]

I liked how he made a good deal with opec to open the pipelines wide open thus making it cost more money for the commies to pump their oil than they could sell it for.

[weaselsan]

Used science fiction writers to con the russians into beliveing
we were on the verge of having super weapons that could take out their entire offensive missle capability as soon as it was
launched...

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
HOW did HE fail?   was it so GREAT befor him?  Descent into what?

1.  He didn't stop our descent.  In this respect, he's failed just as much as you and I have failed thus far.  Although he tried, which is why I respect him as a president.      

2.  Yes, it was.  For a long time, this country has slowly been forgetting or casting aside the ideals that it was founded upon.  

3.  Socialism, totalitarianism, the nanny state.