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Nakhui

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Here is some open source information regarding what the US Intel agencies told the White House and then what the White House told Congress and the American public.

The original CIA and other US Intel reports are historical record immutable, unspinable, and are now being reviewed by several investigations.

Was the US Intel reports totally off or did the Policy makers and Political Agenda's at the White House believe only what they wanted to believe?

This is just the tip of the hyperbole ice burg which the White House manifactured.

Read and decide for yourself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20194-2004Feb6.html?nav=most_emailed

Bush, Aides Ignored CIA Caveats on Iraq
Clear-Cut Assertions Were Made Before Arms Assessment Was Completed
By Walter Pincus and Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, February 7, 2004; Page A17

In its fall 2002 campaign to win congressional support for a war against Iraq, President Bush and his top advisers ignored many of the caveats and qualifiers included in the classified report on Saddam Hussein's weapons that CIA Director George J. Tenet defended Thursday.

In fact, they made some of their most unequivocal assertions about unconventional weapons before the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) was completed.

Iraq "is a grave and gathering danger," Bush told the United Nations on Sept. 12, 2002. At the White House two weeks later -- after referring to a British government report that Iraq could launch "a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order" is given -- he went on to say, "Each passing day could be the one on which the Iraqi regime gives anthrax or VX -- nerve gas -- or someday a nuclear weapon to a terrorist ally."

Three weeks later, on the day the NIE was delivered to Congress, Bush told lawmakers in the White House Rose Garden that Iraq's current course was "a threat of unique urgency."

On Thursday, summarizing the NIE's conclusions, Tenet said: "They never said Iraq was an imminent threat."

The administration's prewar comments -- and the more cautious, qualified phrasings of intelligence analysts -- are at the heart of the debate over whether the faulty prewar claims resulted from bad intelligence or exaggeration by top White House officials -- or both.

Former chief U.S. weapons inspector David Kay told senators last week that caveats often fall by the wayside "the higher you go up" the bureaucratic chain. At the top, he said, "you read the headlines, you read the summary, you're busy, you've got other things to do."

Administration supporters say Bush, Vice President Cheney and others were simply extrapolating from the comprehensive intelligence provided by Tenet's intelligence community. Critics say Bush and his Cabinet had already decided to go to war, regardless of what the intelligence efforts found.

The controversy, arising during the Democratic presidential primary campaign, has taken on a partisan hue. Some Democrats, however, say they perceived GOP partisanship earlier, when Republicans advocated an invasion of Iraq before the 2002 congressional elections. Bush said on Sept.13, 2002, that he did not think he could explain to voters the position of some Democrats who said Congress should wait for the United Nations to authorize the use of force before giving the president the authority he wanted.

Now that extended efforts to find weapons of mass destruction have proved futile, some are asking why Bush, Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld used unequivocal rhetoric to describe the threat from Iraq when the intelligence on the subject was much more nuanced and subjective.

For example, when Bush on Sept. 24, 2002, repeated the British claim that Iraq's chemical weapons could be activated within 45 minutes, he ignored the fact that U.S. intelligence mistrusted the source and that the claim never appeared in the October 2002 U.S. estimate.

On Aug. 26, 2002, Cheney said: "Many of us are convinced that Saddam will acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon." The estimate, several weeks later, would say it would take as many as five years, unless Baghdad immediately obtained weapons-grade materials.

In the same speech, Cheney raised the specter that Hussein would give chemical or biological weapons to terrorists, a prospect invoked often in the weeks to come. "Deliverable weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a terror network, or a murderous dictator, or the two working together, constitute as grave a threat as can be imagined," Cheney said.

It would be more than a month later that a declassified portion of the NIE would show that U.S. intelligence analysts had forecast that Hussein would give such weapons to terrorists only if Iraq were invaded and he faced annihilation.

"The probability of him initiating an attack . . . in the foreseeable future . . . I think would be low," a senior CIA official told the Senate intelligence committee during a classified briefing on the estimate on Oct. 2, 2002. The CIA released a partial transcript five days later after committee Democrats complained that a published "white paper" on Iraq's weapons had not given the public a fair reading of what the classified NIE contained.

On Sept. 8, 2002, Cheney said of Hussein on NBC's "Meet the Press": "We do know, with absolute certainty, that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon." Cheney was referring to the aluminum tubes that some analysts believed could be used for a centrifuge to help make nuclear materials; others believed they were for an antiaircraft rocket.

Such absolute certainty, however, did not appear in the estimate. Tenet said Thursday that the controversy has yet to be cleared up.

On Sept. 19, 2002, Rumsfeld, speaking before the Senate Armed Services Committee, said: "No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein and Iraq." The October estimate contained no similar language.

Speaking to the House Armed Services Committee on Sept. 18, 2002, Rumsfeld described an immediate threat from biological weapons. Hussein, he said, could deploy "sleeper cells armed with biological weapons to attack us from within -- and then deny any knowledge or connection to the attacks."

While the intelligence community believed Hussein had biological agents such as anthrax, and that they could be quickly produced and weaponized for delivery by bombs, missiles or aerial sprayers, the October 2002 estimate said: "We had no specific information on the types or quantities of weapons, agents, or stockpiles at Baghdad's disposal."

Tenet's "provisional bottom line" on biological weapons, he said Thursday, is that research and development efforts were underway in Iraq "that would have permitted a rapid shift to agent production if seed stocks were available. But we do not know if production took place -- and just as clearly -- we have not yet found biological weapons."

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2004, 03:20:41 PM »
congress gets the same intel as the white house, so whats your point?

and why did the UN pass 1441?
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2004, 08:36:19 PM »
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and why did the UN pass 1441?



To verify that Iraq had destroyed it's WMD.

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2004, 08:38:04 PM »
and they were in the middle of doing so when we told them to pull the inspectors! oh snap!

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2004, 10:51:05 PM »
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congress gets the same intel as the white house


Now there's a huge misconception.
That's blatantly not true.
Not every Congressman has the same level of security clearance.

The President claimed to have addition intel which many members of congress were not allowed to have orig source. They had to take his word for it that this information represented Iraq had STOCK PILES of WMD ready to use on the USA with in 45 minutes.

That particular phase and wording did not come from the CIA NIH reports. The President represented that he had intelligence from addition source - in one case GCHQ.

If the situation were so black and white, the President would not need to go on Meet the Press to defend him self. He could just point at the reports as direct references.

Having him point to a reference in the CIA report that could be resonablely interpreted as saying Iraq had STOCK PILES that could be used against the USA in 45 minutes would settle the matter immediately.

This could information could be given to a bi-partison committee for review and they could issue an immediate report confirming the matter.

He doesn't, because he can't, because it is not in any intel report.
No not even in the GCHQ report.

And his stories are not consistent, his reason for war is not very much embellished, and he's not using the same directness as he did before.

Run the interview through a voice analyzer and any one familar with this technique will come to the conclusion that the President was being evasive in his answers.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2004, 11:43:33 PM »
your hatred for boosh has clouded your thinking, nothing i can say will change that, you hear what you want to hear, you remember what you want to remember.

boosh never said  the US could be attacked in 45 min, someone else said saddam could launch a chem attack in the middle east in 45 min.

how do you explane the msg that the US troops interceped from iraq HQ to iraq troops to use chem weapons during the US advance on Bagdad?

vote for kerry , like you he twists the truth to suit his own purpose.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2004, 12:18:37 AM »
lol john. your blind loyalty for buch clouds your vision. why would they order the troops to use wmds. when they obviously didnt have any. think man! if your a crazy dictator in the mideast surrounded by countrys that hate you. Of course you bluff that you have wmds. Or else the iranians would have pounded iraq into the ground years ago.

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2004, 12:25:28 AM »
I'd like to play poker with you Frogm4n.. bring lots of money you'll need it.

If you were being arrested by the police,.... and they pointed their guns at your head telling you to comply with their demands, would you bluff you were armed?

That's pretty much what you say SH did, and it is no wonder the police opened fire.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2004, 09:52:08 AM »
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boosh never said  the US could be attacked in 45 min, someone else said saddam could launch a chem attack in the middle east in 45 min.



Ain't selective memory wonderful? Bush said it in his radio address to the nation.

"The danger to our country is grave and it is growing. The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given. The regime has long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year. "

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2004, 09:59:08 AM »
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.. according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given.

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2004, 10:03:09 AM »
Did they edit in the british government during that part of the speech? Or did Bush read it?
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2004, 10:21:39 AM »
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boosh never said  the US could be attacked in 45 min, someone else said saddam could launch a chem attack in the middle east in 45 min.

 


Hatred? I've never said I hate Bush.

I've said he's a liar - there's a difference.

My point has always been he did not tell the American people and the Congress the truth about his justification for the Iraqi War.

As for the 45 minute statement - Bush and Powel have claimed this repeatedly, in his arguements before the  Congress, and in countless press conferences,  and official reports from the White House.

Where have you been - You obviously have no clue.

This is why Republican congressmen are up-set over Bush also.

http://cshink.com/WMD_within_45min.htm
http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/21/bush.intl.reax/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040120-7.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2954036.stm
http://cshink.com/WMD_within_45min.htm

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2004, 10:21:46 AM »
"..according to (choose one):

a)  the British government!
b) my hour long call to the Psychic Friends Network.
c) ex-Pres Clinton!! He made me do it! :mad:
c) what we figured was easier.  Iraq a was beaten sixth rate military force that even Chile could have whipped the shinola out of. Attacking the real source of terrorism, countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria or North Korea, would have been a LOT tougher.



 Desperate excuses seem to be "the tune" lately. So different from a year ago when the US administration touted "facts" and so many on this boared berated others that did not buy in to the party line.   Lots of blame and finger pointing now.  The same way other people do with guns. They blame guns and the manufacturers for armed assault and robberies instead of the people that use them.

 Bush, Cheney, Powell & Co, Inc. pulled the trigger and invaded Iraq because that is what they wanted to do.  Not because they were "tricked" or because of any "faulty" intellegence. They eagerly and expiditiously went to war and coughed up a whole litenay of facts to justify it to those who'd beleive them.  And as things went along they adopted new reasons as best they could.

 And now they are telling the public to trust them as the investigation gets to the bottom of things in 2005.  

 lol. what a joke (not really but I can't take it seriously that they think the US public should wait till AFTER elections for that)

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2004, 10:25:35 AM »
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.. according to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given.
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Reading is fundamental, even to lemmings like yourself. BUSH SAID IT IN THE RADIO ADDRESS.

Is he the source of it? No, no more than he was the source for those intelligence reports on all the WMD.

The point, which is eluding you, is that Bush said it in order to create the sense of urgency needed to kick off his war.

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2004, 10:35:12 AM »
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The point, which is eluding you, is that Bush said it in order to create the sense of urgency needed to kick off his war.

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..which turned out to be true (the urgency) other than the WMD claim (unless of course you failed to see the mass graves and potential for terrorist activity in that country.)