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Ripsnort · « **on:** February 10, 2004, 12:25:58 PM »

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HELSINKI, Feb 10 (Reuters) - One of Finland's richest men
has been fined a record 170,000 euros ($217,000) for speeding
through the centre of the capital, police said on Tuesday.
Jussi Salonoja, 27, heir to his family's sausage business,
was caught driving 80 km per hour (50 miles per hour) in a 40
kph (25 mph) zone last Thursday, the police said.
Finnish traffic fines vary according to the offender's
income and, according to tax office data, Salonoja's 2002
earnings were close to seven million euros.
The final penalty could still change when the case is
eventually heard by a Helsinki court, as was the case with Nokia
executive Anssi Vanjoki, whose 116,000-euro speeding fine was
slashed by 95 percent in 2002 due to a drop in income.
If Salonoja's penalty stands, it will beat a speeding fine
of more than 80,000 euros paid by Internet millionaire Jaakko
Rytsola in 2000, and the 35,000-euro fine imposed on Nokia
President Pekka Ala-Pietila in 2001 for running a red light.

Furball · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2004, 12:27:34 PM »

go look at squad forum you tart

took some pictures for you today you might like.

(no not those kind of pictures you perverts!)

miko2d · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2004, 12:38:44 PM »

Does that constitute the finns' admission that wealthy are to be kept to higher standard of behavior while poor riff-raff is just mindless scum from whom not much can be expected in terms of good behavior?

miko

Ripsnort · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2004, 12:42:39 PM »

Is Finland considered a "Socialist" country? If not, whats it prime political platform?

ra · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2004, 12:54:01 PM »

I'm under the impression that many European countries base the fines for minor infractions on the income of the person involved.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2004, 12:56:24 PM »

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Originally posted by ra
I'm under the impression that many European countries base the fines for minor infractions on the income of the person involved.

Class envy.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2004, 12:58:45 PM »

Actually it's class warfare.

takeda · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:00:38 PM »

I now know of 1: Finland

miko2d · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:01:46 PM »

Ripsnort: Is Finland considered a "Socialist" country? If not, whats it prime political platform?

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More important features of Finland’s experience are the reduction in itsgovernment spending ratio from 59% of GDP in 1993 to 45% today and other moves to greater economic freedom.

More or less so.. Doing better than many.

miko

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:04:09 PM »

Economist had a nice "Socialism Scoreboard" (my term) a couple of weeks ago. US is about 30% by comparison. I think Sweden was "#1". Sure would be nice if we could shave 15% like the Finns did.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:44:16 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Economist had a nice "Socialism Scoreboard" (my term) a couple of weeks ago. US is about 30% by comparison. I think Sweden was "#1". Sure would be nice if we could shave 15% like the Finns did.

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I'd love to have a copy of that if you have it handy (Link?)

ra · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:50:19 PM »

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Originally posted by takeda
I now know of 1: Finland

From some website:

"Neighboring Sweden and Denmark do it, and so does Germany. But they set a ceiling -- $98 in Sweden, for example -- whereas Finland knows no limits."

But only Finland applies it to traffic tickets, so "only in Finland" is right.

fd ski · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:51:58 PM »

Interesting point, fine for speeding, the main purpose of the fine itself is to punish for breaking the law. If so, basing such punishment on income of the criminal makes more sense then set fee.

ie: you make 100$ month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. There goes your money for fun for whole month, you WILL remember.

you make 10000$ a month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. You barely notice, who cares if you get caught again ?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:54:35 PM »

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Originally posted by fd ski
Interesting point, fine for speeding, the main purpose of the fine itself is to punish for breaking the law. If so, basing such punishment on income of the criminal makes more sense then set fee.

ie: you make 100$ month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. There goes your money for fun for whole month, you WILL remember.

you make 10000$ a month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. You barely notice, who cares if you get caught again ?

I was hoping you'd use Janet Jacksons situation where she broke the law, $27,000 fine. Drop in the bucket! Now Bush is pushing for a a law that increases the fine 10 times that amount.

Glad to see you and Bush agree on something! (Even if its only a philosophical level)

ra · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:57:35 PM »

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ie: you make 100$ month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. There goes your money for fun for whole month, you WILL remember.

you make 10000$ a month, you jaywalk - 10$ fee. You barely notice, who cares if you get caught again ?

Well, if you fine rich people more than poor people, who are the cops going to concentrate their enforcement efforts on? Cha-ching!