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Offline Zigrat

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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2000, 12:33:00 AM »
I disagree RAM,

I think there are some spit drivers out there that are likely some of the best pilots in AH, because a spit pilot must have much better SA than a 190 or pony or f4u driver, because he is usually low and slow and turning. He can't run away, he has to fight his way out.

Now, make a distinction for sputnikfires, come into the fight at 25k alt, dive on a bandit at 5k, slow down to match his speed at d300 back, and kill him. Obviously this is not the type of pilot i am talking about.

Karnak does not have the time to play as much as we do RAM. I think your insults to him are kinda childish. I, and you, are lucky to have lots of free time (soon not to be me once school starts) to enjoy our hobby. Others don't, and it is silly to make fun of them for it.

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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2000, 02:36:00 AM »
 I have a tip for karnak. Fly the spit IX like it was a 109. Just because it can turn dosent mean your supposed to. The reason it is easy to kill, is they always seem to be turning, and thereby offering a platform shot to the guy behind them. If there ever was a plane that could cause an overshoot it is the spit.

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2000, 02:47:00 AM »
Don't forget your "red cap" !!!

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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2000, 02:49:00 AM »
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I think you may be on to something because I have come across a lot of the same thing. I put it down to my poor flying but often I have run (and I do a lot of it   )and I find a/c that I should be outpacing are staying with me.
Another example - I was in a P38 last night and was chasing a slightly higher Spit (yes I know dumb or what...) but thought I should have the legs on it in max climb. I basically fly Spit or 38 and if I'm right the Spit climbs at about 160 for max climb and the 38 at about 185. At those speeds the 38 outclimbs a Spit at low alt - am I right?
however in this instance I was trued out at 190 IAS, full power, and could not catch him - he either outdragged me or if I put the nose down he outclimbed me - this doesn't seem right. Range was about 1.2k so I was able to keep good tabs on closure rates.
I would be VERY interested in doing some control testing of type verses type in the TA in level, climb and dive.

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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2000, 07:06:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by easymo:
I have a tip for karnak. Fly the spit IX like it was a 109. Just because it can turn dosent mean your supposed to. The reason it is easy to kill, is they always seem to be turning, and thereby offering a platform shot to the guy behind them. If there ever was a plane that could cause an overshoot it is the spit.


Just my point,easymo...SpitfireIX is one of the best E-fighters in this sim, with its E retention and good acceleration at all altitudes.

The fact is-all spitfire drivers turnfight with it,die, all spitfire drivers who E-fight in it, live-. Look at Mitsu.

Zigrat, there was no insult for karnak in my post. I know he has not much time to fly, still when I knew way less about planes and tactics and ACM than him, I raised a 1-1 K/D in spitfire while I had a 0.5 in all the rest.

 (he reads ,like me,the Forum boards, where I learned all that, so he now knows much more than I did in January)

Karnak, what you are telling me is that you havent enough SA to keep yourself alive in anything that cant run. You say you have landed a sortie in a 190A5, still you have no kills on it,and many people says that is an easy plane to kill with, but hard to rtb because its low speed.

 Planes are for fighting and for earning kills. If you are more aware of saving your skin than burning other's ,then for sure G10 is the best plane, with the mustang,to do it.But if you fly it to FIGHT all the time, then G10 ISNT the best plane to do it.

 I fly G10. I CLOSE fight with it. I have saved 3-1 odds with it in CLOSE fights with NO extending from my side ,killing 2 cons and landing after saluting the last (A zero) because I had no fuel.

 Still with SPitfires I can hold my own against 3 enemies and with a bit of luck, bring all 3 down. The fact that you cant run with it as with G10 doesnt make G10 an EZplane, the fact that you can do awesome moves and ACMs with it, DOES make Spitfire an EZmode plane.

 It is very a forgiving plane in its handling. Go and tell a newbie to up in a g10 in his first fight, and see where he ends,and how many time he spends in the air (if he ever gets there).

Karnak, the time I killed you when you got 3 Kills you were in a N1K2,at deck level, turnfighting with some 7 of us over you. You stayed fighting because you had no choice, as in N1K2 you cant run. In a SpitIX you'd have done exactly the same ,as N1K2 and Spit are comparable Turnfighters. In a G10 you WONT have had a single kill and I'd have killed you anyway while trying to extend (on the deck and surrounded by higher cons, if was not me it would have been other of us).
What I mean is that when you are in a turnfight you seem to have a defect: not knowing when to leave. When you realize you are surrounded, its too late, while in G10 can be still a hope of you escaping. is your SA, karnak, NOT the plane.


Karnak if you want a friend's reccomendation, return to spitfire, climb to 20K and E-fight. Keep your SA up and chose the moment to disengage. Keep a hard deck of 7K to dive if needed, and keep close to friends, so when you disengage they can help you. Develop some personal defensive tactics (I have mines in Fw190A5 and A8) and dont let flying your favorite plane because "they kill you a lot" in it. When I was flying Fw190A8, still with no rudder pedals, how many times do you think I RTB-ed? Still I sticked with my favorite brick...errr...plane, and learned it all I could.

Do the same in the spit, and you'll end loving it. E-fight in it, dont turnfight, and you'll see that your K/D improves and you land your sorties. And dont fly a plane that you dont like. I wont put myself in a spit now, as I dont like it a bit. It must be very boring to go up in a plane you dont like.

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-22-2000).]

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2000, 07:58:00 AM »
RAM that last post was much more constructive than your previous post  

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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2000, 08:55:00 AM »
I'm gonna ignore much of the stuff above and make one point.  (Assuming you are flying a Jug.)

1.  DO NOT dive straight down.  You need to do an "unloaded" dive.  If you push over or roll and pull into a dive, you are pulling G's to get into the dive and the Spit will eat your lunch.  You need to push over gently and keep the G meter at 0 or close to it until you are in a steep dive.  Don't dive any steeper than you need to, just keep the G meter on 0 until you get up over 450 MPH or so.

2.  If a spit is still hangin' in with you at 500 IAS... roll baby.  A quick roll to change direction (works well in a steep dive) and gently pull out in the new direction.  If you do this, roll to the left versus a spit, as it will tend to roll right uncontrolleably at high speed.  The spit driver can control it with trim, but it is impossible for him to roll left quickly in a high-speed dive.

I LOVE it when spits try to follow my diving jug in a very high speed dive.  One good trick is to slowly roll right as you near terminal velocity and the ground.  Then... just as the spit thinks he's got you, roll left and pull out at the last possible second.  Lots of times the spit will dig a really big hole in the ground as he tries to follow you.  Warning:  if you try it to early or the SPitter is smart, he won't follow.  As long as you are fast enough, you should get enough room to escape at the very least.

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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2000, 09:54:00 AM »
To add what Leph says, I like to "fake" a roll to the right. If you have plenty of alt and time to work with, roll your plane to the right 45 or 90 degrees, until you see your opponent match your roll, then kick it left and pull out. If they try to follow, they then have to roll 180 degrees in a slow rolling plane. By that time, you're probably above them, looking for a shot. Another thing I've done (but not in awhile) is to roll inverted, and dive, with a slowly increasing (decreasing?) angle. If the slow rolling plane follows you, keep heading down (but don't go past 90 degrees) and build up speed. When you get real close to terra firma, quickly roll and pull out. If you've timed it right, your happless opponent will hopefully be a big crater in the ground, since they are unable to roll upright quickly enough, and don't have enough room for a split s.



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« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2000, 10:07:00 AM »
Thank you, Lephturn!
Finally got a level-headed reply and some tips.
I fly the Jug 95% of the time, and the Spit is the only plane I have any trouble against
(kill/death ratio last nite was 11/10 my Jug against Spit 9).
You still have that website with all the tips on it?

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« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2000, 10:37:00 AM »
  Lephturn,
exactly what real FW190 pilots did against pursuing Spitfires during WWII  
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« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2000, 11:17:00 AM »
Every plane that flies against me is overmodeled....

all the planes I fly are undermodeled...

Flying suks...

 



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« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2000, 12:15:00 PM »
Just ran a test on the spit and 47. Both speed gauges are correct.

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« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2000, 12:42:00 PM »
Zig,
I agree with everything in your post, but maybe one thing.

Why doesn't the spit have a right to fly at 25k like any other plane in the set?

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« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2000, 02:14:00 PM »
Because they will come down and kill ya Cobra. Who wants that  

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« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2000, 04:03:00 PM »
I think the appropriate response to this type of post is.....


WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I bent my wookie!

 

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