Author Topic: Remorse for virtual death? (Read 5151 times)

skernsk · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2001, 03:45:00 PM »

Heh..Amon you sound pissed at me. Hit the bong real quick and settle down.

I am saying that "some" people fly to live and "some" people could care less.

Then I made a mistake and said I fly to fight and yes I sometimes make it back, but every mission to me is a one way mission

If I run outta ammo and still have fuel I'll RTB, or perhaps I'll just fly the sucker into the ground.

NOW,

If you can make your idea work, where it rewards those who fly conservatively and DOES NOT affect the way I play the game in ANY way, fine.

I have no problem with people making suggestions for the game...hell HTC takes ides from the community and those ideas are great.

Nifty · « **Reply #31 on:** December 10, 2001, 03:45:00 PM »

as was stated before, there's already a bonus in perk points for landing succesfully. Maybe the multiplier could be increased, but I still don't think that'd change many people's attitude in the MA.

Hmm, what about this, you don't get any score points if you don't RTB safely. You still get perk points, you still have your stats, you just don't gain points (for higher rank). It's an incentive to stay alive, but it doesn't affect gameplay one bit if you go out and die 10 sorties in a row. You still get perkies for everything you killed, you still can take off anytime you want, in any plane you want, with any loadout you want (under current system rules, obviously). Only thing is that's seen as a penalty for dying.

Aside from that, I like the kill streak ideas. You get more points for each kill streak in a row (if you land it safely, obviously, as that's the point here.) You go out and you kill 3 planes. First plane gets you some points right off the bat. Second plane gets you some points right off the bat, plus a possible bonus if you land. Third gives you immediate points, and an even greater bonus. You land, you have the points from the three kills, plus the bonus points (the 3rd kill got you a bigger bonus percentage than the 2nd.) You take off on another sortie, and it's kill #1 for the sortie, but kill #4 in terms of bonus. This could be displayed in kill buffer as Victory 1 (4) by Nifty of 332nd Flying Mongrels.

anyways, outta time, I'm going home!

Am0n · « **Reply #32 on:** December 10, 2001, 03:53:00 PM »

"AmOn, could it be the only conversation you care to deem intelligent is that which agrees with you?"

lol

As i stated..

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Originally posted by Am0n:
Im asking if anyone would be intrested in a system that promoted surviving the fight, not my system. That was just an example i thought of while typing up the post.

So far, FOR THE MOST PART, everyones shot down the idea i stated first. Which i posted this afterwards disclaiming it was the point of the post. And even your self you seemingly dont get it until your last flame. That is not intelligent conversation.

Yes i can play to survive, but it doesnt stop others from playing crazy and doing outlandish things that they wouldnt otherwise do.

Im not saying im a conservitive player, you assumed that. Im actualy in the toejam every night shooting like mad and not going home until im out of ammo, carrying my chute or in a body bag. But i my self would like to want to live.

Some have actualy contributed to this and not lowered my IQ with there babbling.. JAB, TAC, Broes, Lance, Skernks, even the short but sweet Rude post to name a few (others yes). So maybe i should just start pointing out the flamming bellybutton holes insted generalizing the group of posters..

Am0n · « **Reply #33 on:** December 10, 2001, 03:56:00 PM »

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Originally posted by skernsk:
Heh..Amon you sound pissed at me. Hit the bong real quick and settle down.

No way bro wasnt pissed at all, its hard to tell someones mood when they dont use there smilies and expressions of laugher and such. I can take constructive critsism.

(note the nice lil smiley!)

deSelys · « **Reply #34 on:** December 10, 2001, 03:58:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty:
...This could be displayed in kill buffer as Victory 1 (4) by Nifty of 332nd Flying Mongrels.

A 4-long kill streak???

In your dreams, baby!

Kieran · « **Reply #35 on:** December 10, 2001, 04:10:00 PM »

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Yes i can play to survive, but it doesnt stop others from playing crazy and doing outlandish things that they wouldnt otherwise do.

Here is what I am pointing out to you; you are wanting to change gameplay for others.

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Im not saying im a conservitive player, you assumed that.

I never said that, and never assumed that. I fly Rook and have seen you. You are the one making an assumption.

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Some have actualy contributed to this and not lowered my IQ with there babbling.. JAB, TAC, Broes, Lance, Skernks, even the short but sweet Rude post to name a few (others yes). So maybe i should just start pointing out the flamming bellybutton holes insted generalizing the group of posters..

Please clarify the exact point you feel I am flaming you or am not discussing this intelligently with you. You clearly do have an agenda to change the way others play. I have plainly told you "no thanks", not in any form you wish to forward. I don't want you or anyone restricting me because you don't agree with my idea of fun (unless that fun is destructive in nature and harmful to anyone).

I am not angry, I simply don't agree with you. I still challenge you to arrive at a solution that is not penalty-based.

I understood your first post implicitly. I understood where you were/are going right from the beginning. I am quite capable of sorting out the topics. I don't want to sound too condescending, but it wasn't that deep a concept.

You want to make it harder than ever for a newbie to be introduced to this game. You want to make it much harder than ever for people to accrue perk points. You want to make it even less likely that a new pilot can ever acquire a better ride. You want to push the altitude of all the fights higher, make people more timid, and increase the likelihood that people will run rather than fight. You want to see people strafe chutes just to deny perk points (ok, this is a good idea). You want to slow the game down.

Ok, maybe you didn't say this, but it is the effect of what you want. I repeat, it may be fun for you, but can you guarantee that more people will come than leave if these types of changes occur?

Dago · « **Reply #36 on:** December 10, 2001, 04:33:00 PM »

You can return and land the airplanes in AH?
I will have to try that sometime!

Seriously, as stated, there already is a point benefit to landing your flights instead of fighting to the death. The perk points are greater for a landed kill versus dieing before landing. But, some guys like me just dont care about points. I fly for the fun of the fight, thats why I will too often attack 6 enemies by myself.

I like to fly the way I want, not the way anyone else wants me to fly.

dago

Am0n · « **Reply #37 on:** December 10, 2001, 05:07:00 PM »

Kieran

Im tired of typing the same post repeatedly.

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Originally posted by Am0n:
You guys all crack me up, im laughing my bellybutton off.

very few want to have a intelligent conversation. The "dumb topic" you didnt have to respond to, im looking for those who care to add some spice to the game, the rest of you i could care less your opinions.

Im not trying to change your game, dont want anything for that matter. I simply just ask what could add the fealing of "i must survive this sortie", or do you people care to survive? if you dont care to live that is fine with me as well, death match is for you.

There is no need to flame my post, if you dont agree thats great im glad you can think for your self. I never once lashed out and said how much "AH sucks", "this must change now" or anything to that effect. As a matter of fact i love this game. But there is some things that i think could use some tweaking to make game play more enjoyable, you may think otherwise which i respect totaly.

Do i need to be more discreate in my post? maybe multiple choice questions?

1. If purposed for a change in the current system of life/death, land/ditch system in AH to increase a users want to fly the plane home, would you..
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Make a penataly for death?
Make a incintive for landing the sortie?
Fly in the current death match arena?
Who cares, lets flame it?
Im a old fart who pissed at the world and need to take it out on someone?
Other: (fill in the blank)

Kieran · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2001, 05:44:00 PM »

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. If purposed for a change in the current system of life/death, land/ditch system in AH to increase a users want to fly the plane home, would you..

I'll answer if you translate this to English.

Kieran · « **Reply #39 on:** December 10, 2001, 05:53:00 PM »

AmOn, if you could, would you:

1. Prevent people from disregarding death in order to get to action quicker?
2. Penalize people who die by not giving them any points?
3. In any way reduce the low-level action currently dominating the arena?

If the answer is "yes" to any (or all) of the above, then I disagree with you. You can have your feelings hurt about it if you like, but I'll still disagree.

I have more fun fighting than anticipating.

Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2001, 06:22:00 PM »

How about this:

For every aircraft you fail to return safely to the base and land/exit ON the runway... you get billed an additional $5 by HTC.

There you go, Am0n. That would "make one think twice about death", wouldn't it?

Of course, it would make for a VERY boring arena.

Basically, Am0n, you concern centers around the fact that not enough people "think twice about death" right?

Well, if the vast majority DOESN'T "think twice about death" and obviously has no problem with the way the MA works... why should there be a change? To please a small minority?

I believe that's what Kieran has been trying to point out to you. Seems you're having a hard time accepting that most don't share your concern.

Apparently the answer to your first question in your first post is either "no" or "very, very few".

Kieran · « **Reply #41 on:** December 10, 2001, 06:27:00 PM »

Yup, that pretty much sums it up. I have no problem with what anyone wants as long as it doesn't intrude on what the majority wants. You eliminate the majority and you eliminate the sim.

Apache · « **Reply #42 on:** December 10, 2001, 06:28:00 PM »

<S> Am0n.

I get the jest of your post. Allow me a few comments if I may.

I have known and flown with Kieran for quite some time. I don't agree with your interpretation of his responses. I read his replies as simple disagreement with your solution.

Kieran, as I know you will, lol, correct me if I'm wrong.

To your post Am0n. Why not reverse your solution? Instead of punishment for suicides, if you will, why not extend the appeal of surviving sorties? For example, in WB, they gave medals for reaching x number of kills per tour. You also achieved rank based on performance. There was a whole lot of performance based rewards there and tho dweeby as it may sound, some really got into that. Having Major before your id on the score page really had some foaming at the mouth. I'll let you in on a secret. My brother Comanche & I competed between ourselves for the highest rank per tour. Darn that little turd was good

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Note: I'm not advocating any of the aforementioned. I used it as an example to enhance my point.

I am in agreement with Kieran on your solution. It is exclusionary. It punishes those that maybe, just maybe, can't survive a sortie in the first place. Going in the other direction might give an incentive but if they chose not to, no harm done.

Then again, I could be all wet. (Heaven forbid).

Kieran · « **Reply #43 on:** December 10, 2001, 06:33:00 PM »

Nope, Apache, between you and Toad you have summed it up nicely. S!

funkedup · « **Reply #44 on:** December 10, 2001, 06:35:00 PM »

There are a lot of things you can do to make lives more valuable to players. But most of the ones I can think of are things that would make people want to log. And I'm not sure the type of flying that results is appropriate for an arena game.