Remorse for virtual death?

[Kieran]

Exactly, AmOn, which is why you would do anything to avoid dying. See? Mission accomplished!  

[lazs1]

whew.. glad that got settled.
lazs

[Toad]

NO!

YOU ALL HAVE TO PLAY MY WAY.

... as soon as I figure out what that is, I'll get back to yas.


 

[ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]

[Fatty]

I'd like to see a not trying hard enough penalty applied to each succesfull landing.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Fatty:
I'd like to see a not trying hard enough penalty applied to each succesfull landing.

The only time I successfully land is when I had to leave a fight due to low ammo or low fuel.  Kinda hard to kill someone with no ammo left!    Oh, and when I'm vulching at a field and we take the field.  

Yeah Yeah, I know I can rearm and refuel, and I do sometimes.  But if you guys saw Kill 4 by Nifty, you'd start thinking I'm good or something, which I'm not!  

[sourkraut]

Don't we already have a reward system? Aren't the perk points increased when you successfully land your kills?

'course, I wouldn't know since I don't fly to live.

[lazs1]

I allways feel kinda... cowardly when I land... Like I've let some newbie down but, when your out of ammo what are ya gonna do?  If you auger after being pinged then you give the kill to someone.  I ditch a lot.
lazs

[Kieran]

Lazs, that is the number one reason I don't just bail more. Next thing you know you have some ridiculous argument being won or lost because of a stat that says "XXXXX has 6 kills more than YYYYYY", when in fact YYYYYY never returned to base intentionally.

[lazs1]

I don't have a key mapped to "bail" kieran.  Might hit it by mistake if I did.
lazs

[Zigrat]

kieren mabye i worded it wrong

i want there to be a consequence for getting a kil, as well as being killed.

in the main arena i hever get that "rush" as when you are in a ladder competition, or a special event where you only have one life. you know there are few consequences to flying poorly since you can instantly respawn.

on the other hand, in a one life environment, even LANDING is tense. You stop flying sloppy and really concentrate. when you land a successful sortie with a few kills, it MEANS something.

WHY does it mean something? because those other pilots you were flying against were flying to live too, hopefully. When you get a kill in that environment, its satisfying to know you just helped your team - thats one less bad guy who will be around to kill your bombers, or your sturm 190s or whatever.

That feeling just isnt present in the main arena because of RESPAWN. Sure you just killed him, but 1 second later there he is again, rolling with a new set of ammo and fuel.

[Hooligan]

For all you lads that favor some "death penality" I think it is time for you to step up to the plate and be true to your hearts.  If you have ever been killed in AH you should do the honorable thing and admit that you are dead and NEVER FLY AGAIN.  In fact because I am generous by heart I think you should allow yourselves one death in each type of aircraft and vehicle.  Then when you come on the BBS and bring this up again, at least we will all know that you are not hypocrites.  Of course, dead mean don't type either.  But when I see a blank spot on the screen where some idiot might have been trying to force some stupid fly-my-way rule on the rest of us, I'll know you are there in spirit.

Hooligan

[Am0n]

Right on Zigrat you are 100% correct. The only risk at hand is the long boring flight back to a fight, which is there either way you look at it so its not a penalty.

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lol lazs cheerleaders sure are funny, if they took time to read the post they would see that this isnt "my way", simply because i game the game just like everyone else does, the need to survive is not there.

Its much easier to die and re-plane than waste time flying back to the base.

[Karnak]

The problem that systems that excessively promote, via penalty or reward, flying to live fail to take into account is that there is nothing pressing us to engage in this game.

Why would 6 Hurricanes dive into 40 Bf109s and 80 He111s under any such system?

Things like this happened in reality because there were larger issues at stake than living or dying.  You really, REALLY didn't want to die, and you'd do what you could to prevent yourself from dying but you had a job to do that involved putting yourself at risk.

In a game there is no job to do, not that really matters.  There is nothing that compels you and 5 wingies to dive into overwelming odds in an attempt to break up the attacking enemy.  If you add major incentives for living you also add a compeling reason to not dive into overwelming odds.

To sum it up, in reality there were compeling reasons to be both cautious and agressive, in a system of major incentive to live in a game you only have a compeling reason to be cautious.

[Am0n]

Karnak great observation  

You are very correct in what you say, and i have to agree with you. If there was a system that gave great rewards for landing kills and bringing them home wouldnt that be a reason to be agressive? Even if you were at risk if you died. But it would stop the kills that come from them putting them self 100% at risk.

thanks for the imput, out of the 100 or so post here id say this is one of the 10 that i felt were constructive.

[Karnak]

Am0n,

Unfortunately, I don't think people's natures work that way.

I think that if there are major incentives to live and major incentives to get kills it would simply equate to, given my take on human nature, people flying around looking for easy kills and avoiding anything that looked risky.

In my example above, those Hurri pilots weren't diving into overwelming numbers looking for kills, they were trying to protect the United Kingdom from an enemy.  Their friends, families, countrymen and women and nation.  If they had simply been after kills there would be much better ways to go about it.  (On the other hand, they were relying on the desires of the He111 crews to live.  Trying to intimidate them into breaking up the formation, dumping bombs in the channel or open countryside and returning to France.)

There is no such incentive in the MA.  I am not a Rookian defending my nation and people from the Knights and Bishops.  Its just an arbitrary side in a computer game fighting against other arbitrary sides and only fighting because that is what the game is about.  I have no motivation to really defend Rookland.

I am not sure that a playable balance can be found in a online flight sim between the two, and because it is a game it must err on the side of things that encourage action and combat.

That is how I see it anyways.

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]