S! Hangtime!

[StSanta]

Was flying my merry 109G10, helping out ghosth after having downed a tshjook.

He was engaged with a spit near an enemy airfield, and I helped cleared him and told him to bug. The spit came back, so i cleared him again. Or he was hsot down. At any rate, he was no more.

Outrunning the spit; no prob.

But a damned P-51 came in, high and fast. And stayed glued to my 6. I did what I could; flat scissored (dinnae want to go vertical because of Spit close by, the last thing I wanted was a 2v1) when the P-51 came screaming in. Left, right, bit up, roll round, down, snap roll, scrape ground, remove tree from windscreen, reverse, rudder roll. The damned 51 stayed on my 6.

I started to worry at this point. Normally, the P-51 would be going one way and I the other.
PINGPINPINGCRACK.

Uh oh. Wonder how long I'll stay alive without right aileron.

More moves, shaking my stuff. 51 persists. WTF? GET OFF MY CASE, dammit, I've shaken it good enough to satisfy even a pr0n movie star!

Snap roll to the left..oooh, forgot, no right aileron CORRECT LEVEL LEVEL PULL UP PULL.....<BOOM>

"You have been killed by Hangtime"

AAAAAAARGH. There goes my ego.

In retrospect, I shouldda prolly used the vertical more.

Great flying Hangtime.

But beware: tomorrow, I am taking lessons from NathBDP in how to reverse and kill 51's that jump you  .

Did some training with him minutes ago -  that kid really knows his stuff.

So, my ego is in tatters, and I shall now go to sleep  .


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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Nath-BDP]

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Nath_____
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
 

[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 11-08-2000).]

[hblair]

Doesn't really get my ego to be shot down by hangtime, I guess cause I know his ego isn't a factor. He's cool whether he kills you or you kill him.    

[hblair]

Nice story by the way stsanta.  

[Hangtime]

LOL Santa.. salute; yerself.   Heluva nice fight. Turns out that was about the last time I managed ta kill anything last night. Nath gently escorted me into the SEA after that and handed me my bellybutton on a platter about 8 times inna row.

<S!> Nath... yah beeady eyed little... err ahh.. ummm.. ahhh.. Damn. That miserable little.. ummm.. ahh... well; the kid KICKED me ass.   Inna pony; inna G10, inna fediddlein shopping cart with lances.. I'm convinced. I'm too old fer this stuff. Think I'll take up flyin a C47.  

And Great Fights; Nath! <S!> (dammit!)

Hang

 

[Nash]

I havent had an engagement like that vs a Pony since... well probably since WD used to tear it up in 'em a while back.

Mostly 51's get the <ignore> from me...

Good to hear there's some guys out there still willin' to fly them like they really *can* be flown. Mostly though... it's dive, fire, seperate, seperate some more, rev wash rinse repeat.

Don't need to be that way - and it turns out Hang is a good example. To the rest of ya 51 drivers, tear a page outta Hang's book and liven up a little.

[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 11-09-2000).]

[StSanta]

Beware: tonight I am getting "hot to 0wn y00" lessons from a "secksi 16 year old"

And  I tried the Pony and found one weakness.

Now you allied crap opportunists will all die.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Dingy]

Ya know, with all the whining going on about Uber Chogs, Niks and Tiffs, last nite around 13, 14 and 15 the rooks had some great fites going with the Bish.

And ya know what?  The majority of planes I saw werent any of the aforementioned dweeb planes (or VERY few were).  I saw alot of Spits, 51s, Yaks and LA5s.  Even saw some more great 51 flying on the part of JCY and Soulyss and some others.  

Those Bishop are a group after my own heart...the 51    

Oh and BTW, someone reminded me of something a few days ago that I had forgotten about and sorely neglected...throttle control.  If you go zooming down into a fite at full throttle and then try to turn, you WILL overshoot.

-Ding

[StSanta]

If you don't, the 109 will chew you up. At least if it is nath.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Minotaur]

 

Originally posted by Nash:
<snip>

Mostly 51's get the <ignore> from me...

Good to hear there's some guys out there still willing' to fly them like they really *can* be flown. Mostly though... it's dive, fire, separate,  some more, rev wash rinse repeat.

Don't need to be that way - and it turns out Hang is a good example. To the rest of ya 51 drivers, tear a page outta Hang's book and liven up a little.


<snip>

Well Nash we try it over and over and over again.  We only become easier targets.

The problem we face is the "How to do it?".  

Which reminds of a few years ago when I was playing AW3.  I asked a fellow how he turned so well (Spit9), he told me "Use the rudder!".  

I then proceeded to use the rudder.  I used the hell out of my rudder.  I used my rudder whenever I could find a use for my rudder.  Oddly, I was shot just as many times and got no more kills than before.  

I came to the conclusion that I received some very good advice that was totally useless.  The missing component is always the "How to do it".


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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Dog out..."
Wardog

[Nash]

Lol yah... I suppose ya gotta point there Mino  

[Kieren]

My favorite 109 vs. Hangtime fight occured some time back, probably 1.03... We were in the SEA, iconless, and having a blast. I was in a 109G6 with gondolas and searching for trouble (in my usual lonewolf mode). I bump into a couple of 51's that immediately engage me. Now, if memory serves, I had just ended a fight and was a little lower than I would have liked, and I knew there was no way to run. I was committed.

So there I am, and I figure the only way to have a chance is to get these guys slow. The first guy makes a pass, and actually tries to turn a bit with me when I pull high-left. He drops, and I pulled around for a shot on his six. I only take a snap, then jink again as I know by now the other 51 must be coming, and he was. I pull up and left again, he chances a little turn, and he is forced to break off again after a little climb. Shot on his tail, get ready for the first 51 again. This time I was able to get the first 51 as he made his egress, and I am starting to feel better.

I had to risk letting the 51 saddle me in order to cut the odds, and sure enough he was back there. We start a series of flat scissors, and when he got slow I started pulling more vertical into every move. I'm beginning to get the edge, and he knows it. He starts to move the fight towards his field. I realize this when the ack starts coming up, and I lose a 'ron. I am now in deep trouble, because it just got a lot harder to scissor. I panic, and try to climb above his head. He manages to hit my engine, and a few moments later the engine coughs dead.

End of fight, but it had been a good one.

[BaneX]

I'm gonna put in my two cents here. I fly the 51 out of preference. Now I'm not even an average flyer, but I would be more than willing to try some tunring if as mino said the how to do it part were there. I get my head handed to me on a platter quite frequently unless I have a wingman with me.

I do like to turn and burn in a 51 even though it isn't real good at it I know it can do it. I do know that if you get low and slow pop a notch or two of flaps will help you get more out of my turn.

Now my question is.. how important is say aeileron <sp?> and elevator in a situation like this. If it real important, it's time for me to go out and buy a separate throttle because I never bother with either.

Bane

[Hangtime]

I remember that fight.. went from a 2 v 1 to my bellybutton ventilated and inna basket if I didn't scrape you off it. Started out with me in the saddle sniping on the cross-overs on the flat scissors.. then u started nibbiling up and my pony began to wallow.

After I was unable to connect my guns and yer tail; I watched through that scissors your steady gains in the verts and at the last possible seperation point; with you now well and truly on my ass, I screamed like a girl and dove out to the acks.

I felt like cheeze; but hestitated not one split second when you reversed.  

Great fight.. damnn I love this sim.  

<!S!> Kirien!

Hang

[Fariz]

 

Originally posted by Dingy:
Ya know, with all the whining going on about Uber Chogs, Niks and Tiffs, last nite around 13, 14 and 15 the rooks had some great fites going with the Bish.

And ya know what?  The majority of planes I saw werent any of the aforementioned dweeb planes (or VERY few were).  I saw alot of Spits, 51s, Yaks and LA5s.

-Ding

Spit is not a dweeb plane now?   LOL, just when I abandoned flying it. May be there are some link here?