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Offline Pei

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2004, 04:52:28 PM »
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I am always right.


I disagree.
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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2004, 04:52:41 PM »
If two, (or three or more) consenting adults are considered married with full legal full legal rights, according to that 'contract' it follows that full legal adoption rights would be accorded.  It is not a completely different subject.

I'm not saying that two adults should not be able to live together in some legal sense, and maybe full marriage is the right solution.  Just that the law of unintended consequenses is quite strong and irrevocable.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2004, 06:19:22 PM »
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I would vote against gay marriage, I mean, what would be next, brothers and sisters getting married?? That being said, I'm with Miko on this one, the states should decide, not the feds.


If they're consenting adults, I could care less who marries who.
Why should the gov't care?
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2004, 06:35:49 PM »
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Do you really wish to stop policing behavior?


The government should only police those behaviors which cause harm to others.  Behaviors which cause no harm to others are not the business of the government or anyone else.  This concept is known as "liberty" or "freedom".
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2004, 06:36:24 PM »
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I disagree.

THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE!!!
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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2004, 07:16:37 PM »
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In (the possibly sole instance of) adoption, marriage does affect others.

Should a judge be barred from discriminating in favor of Ward and June instead of Ward and Jim all else being equal?

When a judge decides the future of a child, it does effect the child.
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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2004, 07:20:47 PM »
Since adoption seems to be the hanging point here:

Why should the state be able to say that it's in the best interest of a child to be raised by a man and a woman instead of two parents of the same sex?  There are probably a lot of homosexual couples that would make better parents than some of the ****head man+woman pairs out there.  

If two homosexuals think they can do a good job parenting, it's not the state's business to tell them that they can't.
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2004, 07:25:10 PM »
You ever try and fit two bolts together?
Ofcourse not it dont work.

But a bolt and a nut works fine dont it.
Nature makes it easy for us and we still find a way to F--- it up.

Look if brucie wants to marry frankie what do I care.
Do I think Its right  Ofcoures I dont.
But It Is there life and them and them alone who will have to answer to God.

So as long as homosexuals respect my hetrosexuality I will respect them.

NUFF SAID.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2004, 07:30:42 PM »
Agreed that some gay parents are better than some straight parents.

I'm just saying that "All Else Being Equal" it should be up to the judges discretion, and the judge should be able to use the relationship of the prospective parents...  If we as a society decide that Hetero and Homosexual couples are to be treated equally before the law, then that descretion is removed.

If you agree that that discretion should remain in the mix of the factors that a judge should be able to weigh, then the relationship must therefore be different from the traditional hetero arrangement.
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2004, 07:40:53 PM »
Problem is, what is happening in Massachusetts will guarantee government intervention one way or another.

1. Massachusetts legalizes gay marriage. People flock to Mass., get married, return to home states, sue states to recognize marriage.

2. Massachusetts writes a marriage protection amendment to their constitution.

It's bad enough Massachusetts might allow gay marriage; it's altogether worse that it will force every other state against their will to have it afterward, and be done in an unconstitutional manner. You guys don't give a crap because it's about this particular issue; start talking about taking your guns or beer and you guys would be up in the air about it.
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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2004, 10:21:21 PM »
So if I moved to California with my guns, I could sue to get them made legal?
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2004, 11:31:49 PM »
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Problem is, what is happening in Massachusetts will guarantee government intervention one way or another.

1. Massachusetts legalizes gay marriage. People flock to Mass., get married, return to home states, sue states to recognize marriage.

2. Massachusetts writes a marriage protection amendment to their constitution.

It's bad enough Massachusetts might allow gay marriage; it's altogether worse that it will force every other state against their will to have it afterward, and be done in an unconstitutional manner. You guys don't give a crap because it's about this particular issue; start talking about taking your guns or beer and you guys would be up in the air about it.


Well, in Ma., you have to have car insurance that covers everyone in an accident, in N.H., you don't. Some Ma. residents use addresses in N.H. to register their car and not have to pay the high ins. But they are still driving illegally, and your car will be towed if you are pulled over and do not have the proper insurance by Ma. law. I have yet to see anyone sue the state so they don't have to pay car insurance because N.H. says they don't have to.
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2004, 11:37:10 PM »
Marriage is traditionally between a man and a woman.

Whats next?  marriage between a man and a goat?

A woman and a dog?

Have to draw the line against liberal moronism somewhere.....
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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2004, 12:11:28 AM »
Or let everyone define marriage however they see fit and keep the government out of it.  You're free to marry whoever you want to, I'm free to marry whoever I want to.
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2004, 12:33:00 AM »
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Or let everyone define marriage however they see fit and keep the government out of it.  You're free to marry whoever you want to, I'm free to marry whoever I want to.


But letting people have freedom would lead to goat/man and dog/woman nuptials...or so I've been told.

150 years ago, blacks were traditionally slaves.
a few decades ago, mixed"race" marriages were traditionally disallowed.

The problem with living somewhere that supposedly values liberty and equality is that some people might actually expect liberty and equality.
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