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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2004, 03:11:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Revvin
Bob Church has done wonders with the Control Manager software for CH, he's brought all his know-how from his years workign with Thrustmaster and put it into Control Manager.

I didn't believe they would ever get up to the programmability of ThrustMaster, until I found out that Bob Church was working on their stuff.  With him working on it, I'm sure it's just as programmable as the TM gear, and could possibly be even more so.
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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2004, 03:19:20 PM »
CHPRO stick and pedals

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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2004, 09:52:33 PM »
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I friend gave me a Logitech Wingman Attack 2, haven't even bothered to try hooking it up yet, is it worth it?


You're gonna hate that stick. It has very little stability for firing, and if you made the mistake of downloading LogiTech's software for it, you can't even calibrate it, as the software overrides Windows calibration feature. The only way to do it then is in game...over, and over, and over again. Even the throttle acts up nowadays.

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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2004, 10:03:58 PM »
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Originally posted by bj229r
Saitek--not the X45 space shuttle control, but the Cyborg EVO--this is comparable to the MS sticks and the Logitech in price and features (twisty stick)--and takes LOTS more punishment than either. has 6 base buttons and 5 thumb fired buttons, + the trigger. And didnt Microsoft get out of the stick business? Havent seen one in any store in some time.


after 3 months hat dead
under win xp loosing calibration and need to be calibrated before every AH start
imho not ergonomic placements of buttons on the stick and on right side
im looking for something new right now

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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2004, 05:37:17 AM »
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Don't forget - the CH pedals can be used for driving/racing games, too. I bought a USB MS Sidewinder steering wheel for $50 and use it with the USB CH Pro Pedals.


How do you do that? I want to do that with my pedals, but the only racing sim which supports 2 controllers is Grand Prix 4. Colin McCrae 2 doesn't, although the new one might.

I have a Hotas Cougar, but there is a lot of slop in he axes after a year and a half and the spd brake button no longer works. I know there are mods, but I cant be arsed with the time and expense. I wish I'd gone all CH. I might one day, I have the pedals already.

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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2004, 01:46:12 PM »
Got an X45 here a few months ago. POV hat 2 on stick stopped working a few weeks after I had it. Got an RMA from Saitek, but had to pay shipping one way. Still, I love the functionality of the stick. Even with one dead hat it was still awesome. Just in case though, I bought a refurb X45 as backup.

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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2004, 02:27:06 PM »
CH  - Fighterstick, Pro Throttle, Pro Pedals

The best set up in my book.

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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2004, 03:16:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Revvin
As a former Cougar user and now a user of CH Products I feel that this is a myth that needs expelling. CMS scripting has enabled the CH HOTAS to compete with the Cougar's programmability and don't just take my word for it, the well respected sim site Frugal's World said in his CH review:

"CMS gives you an incredible amount of flexibility, in fact it will allow the CH gear to do things that other sticks can only dream of and makes the CH Hotas overall the most flexible and programmable Hotas available"

Bob Church has done wonders with the Control Manager software for CH, he's brought all his know-how from his years workign with Thrustmaster and put it into Control Manager.


REVVIN,
What a great site.  You guys ROCK!  Thanks for all the great info.  This site certainly proves the programability of  CH's great hardware and dummies down the process so anyone can do it.  I DL'd the CMS files for LOMAC, Falcon 4 SP3 & AH.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2004, 12:35:09 AM »
If you're looking for a stick on the low end, I can't be of any help.  I take my flight sims too seriously to play with toy sticks like the Siatek or whatever.  ;)    If you're willing to spend the money and want a full setup, both of the high priced options are great.  

I went from a full CH USB Fighterstick/Pro Throttle/Pro Pedals setup to the Thrustmaster Cougar, but was not at all unhappy with my CH stuff.  The Cougar is simply cooler and could do programming stuff that the CH couldn't do.  I haven't checked out the new CH programming tools to see if they're now the equal of the TM programming, but I've got no reason to doubt Revvin's words that they are.  I'm curious to see if they can duplicate some of the very complex tricks that my Cougar can do though.  

The sticks are basically equal ('cept the TM is metal and has much stronger springs), but I find that I prefer the TM throttle.  The arced adjustable-tension motion, movable detents, and overall feel is just better.   The CH throttle has more button presses available, but the TM Range & Antenna dials give you some neat options.   Amazingly, when I was using the CH throttle I felt like it should have 1 more button. :)  I never felt comfortable placing my pinky, ring & middle fingers on the three buttons with my index finger on the front hat.  Always felt more comfortable to my hand to have my ring, middle, and index fingers on those buttons, leaving my pinky wishing for a fourth button of it's own.  :)  The front hat was always relegated to keypresses that weren't used very much.  

A BIG bonus for the CH USB stuff is that the programming software can make them all appear as one controller.  VERY nice if you ever fly a program that won't recognize more than one attached controller.   Thrustmaster never came through with their promised rudder pedals which would have attached directly to the Cougar and worked all as 1 device.  You can use their old Elites (if you can find any) but they don't have toe brakes.  There are some aftermarket options as well, but they're very pricey and I donno if the SimPeds have a toe brake option yet either.  I'm using CH USB Pro Pedals.  Donno how I ever landed without toe brakes. :)

As has been noted, the quality control on the Cougar can be described as "suspect."  I've had ZERO problems with mine, but others have had nothing but trouble.   The aftermarket support is nothing short of phenomenal though.   I'd say that many of the guys who're willing to pay upwards of $350 US for an amazing  HOTAS like the Cougar are quite willing to spend MORE money to make it even better.  :)

For the typical high-end joystick conniseur I heartily recommend the entire CH USB setup.  For the RABID high-end joystick nut who's willing to do anything for the best, the Cougar is your only choice.  Get one and tweak it to your heart's content.

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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2004, 01:42:19 AM »
I have had several Logitech sticks( max 6 months life each) a Saitech cyborg gold(6 months) and and X36(1 year)
After adding all that up I decided that a cougar was cost effective if it could last 3 years.
Well after a year I got the Uber II mod done on it.  That has been running nearly a year but not without issues. I will have to use my uber cougar for another 5 years or so to be cost effective..lol
My CHpro rudders have been flying full time for nearly 5 years!

Soda has been flying his MS force feedback stick for over 4 years!

I think I would buy CH if I had it to do over again.

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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2004, 01:35:33 PM »
Yep I have both the Logitech Extreme 3D pro and the wireless, Freedom 2.4!  Wireless is very smooth and I have had good luck with it.  It goes to sleep on long flights and as the batteries run down it seems to go to sleep quicker?  I replaced it with Extreme 3D pro.  The first one I got from Circuit City was bad outta the box!!  Wouldn't calibrate.  The second has lasted just less than 2 months.  Won't hold a Cal and "jiggy" is a kind work for spikey jumpin' all over the place.

I already have the CH Pro Throttle and the CH Pro Pedals.  I AM buying the CH FighterStick USB, even as we speak.  I am done with the "Cheap Junk".

Steve, :rolleyes: Again you are aggravatingly wrong!!  In PC Games a persons ability to set up his stick, the quality of the sticks input, precission and smoothness can very well determine the success of the pilot.  It can certainly "Cap" his potential.  I will agree that a Gazillion dollar stick is not going to make me a GREAT pilot.