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Offline beet1e

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« on: December 11, 2001, 02:33:00 AM »
Hehe, I knew with a title like that, everyone would read it  :D

I have been playing AH for two weeks now, and was pleased to get a k/d ratio of 2/1, with many of those deaths ascribed to experimental things. I believe that a game with strategy like AH cannot be learned in 2 weeks. 2 months, well maybe…

Yesterday, I thought I’d have a major strategy learning session. I watched as C47s made supply drops, and ground vehicles did their thing.

One of the differences between AH and WB that becomes immediately apparent is the ferocity of weapons in AH, especially the gun emplacements (or acks) at airfields, and the guns on PT boats. The only way I can kill a PT boat is to drop a 1000# bomb on it. That needs to be a very accurate drop, and the scope for missing the target is large. Yesterday I did manage to strafe one while flying a P38L, but only because the boat driver was distracted and was firing at another of my friends. Otherwise, if a PT boat fires at me as I try to get close enough to shoot at it, I’m dead. Can anyone advise? I must have died 6 deaths as I struggled to kill a boat.

As for killing acks, it would seem that a solo raid of a field is not an option; by the time I can get close enough to see the acks and start firing, they are already firing back and I am soon dead. Even bombing acks would need the drop to be made from a safe height, and I can’t see how a jabo fighter could achieve this with sufficient accuracy. Any tips?

Not surprisingly, the planes are modelled differently in Aces High and WB2. (I don’t know about WB3 – didn’t like that much) Yesterday, I thought I’d risk a few perk points by flying the F4U1C. (8 pp) I was near the surface of the sea, and was attacked by a 190, which I later found out was a D9. It was closing on me fast, and the only evasive manoeuvre I could think of was to split-S and hope that if the faster moving 190 tried to follow, he would auger into the drink. He did not. Instead, he performed a chandelle manoeuvre and resumed the chase. Having extended the gap between us to 850 yards, I thought there was no way he could catch me. Wrong!  Here he comes again, gaining on me quite rapidly. OK, I’ll try turning to bleed his E (and mine). 190s are not supposed to like turning, but – surprise, surprise – the 190D9 has no trouble turning with me at all. In WB, the 190 would have blown all his E turning like that, and may well have augured as a result. Still, I always believed that the D9 in WB was porked. It flew like a bloated pig. In WB the only 190 I got on with was the A4. In AH it seems that they are all formidable.

I’m interested to hear your comments about the above  :)

Finally, yesterday I did the deed. I cancelled my WB account. I had held back thinking that I would feel sorrow at doing this, but I felt nothing. I had thought I might want to revisit WB from time to time, but after 2 weeks in AH I just know I’ll never want to go back to WB. At the risk of offending some WB snoopers of this board, I shall state some of the reasons. And those are the incomplete nature of WB3, whose graphics are not as good as AH graphics, the endless problems with bad connections to which no solution was ever forthcoming (never knowing whether my guns would have any effect from one hour to the next), the constant fiddling about with various settings – including “Otto” gun defence on bombers, the scoring system, the World War 2 arena fragfest and side switching, and the almost complete lack of response to any player initiatives – well mine anyway <lol>. Oh, and the lack of documentation advising what ordnance was required to destroy strategic targets, which itself was subject to change without notice.

I shall miss some of my buddies, especially my Dutch squad, but I will see them at the Eurocon in Holland next year. As to missing the game, I was playing so little during the last months that there’s little to miss. As one recently departed WB pilot (now a curmudgeon) put it, ”the game I knew, and loved, is dead”.

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2001, 04:21:00 AM »
PT boats are suicide unless you dive from above in my opinion.  I climb up 3K alt, which gets you 1.5k over the PT, it'll be firing at you but not a threat, soon as you hit the right spot it'll stop firing, I cut throttle right back, dive straight down, at 1K fire a smidgeon in front, hit full throttle and kapow they blow up.  They're easy and give great perks.  Hurricane best imo for PT's.


Other things, no idea although I'm sure the F4U easily flat turns the Dora, definitely doesn't outrun it thou.


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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2001, 04:44:00 AM »
A solo raid against an enemy field IS an option. Follow the next steps.
1 - Pickup P47D30, 75% fuel, 2x1000lb and rockets.
2 - Issue the command ".salvo 10"
3 - Aproach the target field 5000 feet above terrain level.
4 - Initiate a not very steppy dive (perfectly trimmed) over VH ack and straffe if with guns (keep very fast and fire from long range).
5 - Climb in vertical (WEP ON) over VH and select the bombs.
6 - Select dive flaps and reverse, diving just over the VH (WEP OFF), center the VH in your vertical dive, drop the bombs and extend very fast while deactivating dive flaps, WEP ON.
7 - Turn around and fire all the rockets over VH (Vh down!!).
8 - climb very fast along the side of the field and take note of the firing acks (they are your next targets).
9 - Turn around and start killing the acks, one by one, starting with the acks at the corners of the field. Use very fast 25 dgree dives over the each ack, fire and keep diving and turning to exit the ack range. Repeat this until all acks are down. Dont try to kill two firing acks in a rown, just one by one.
11 - Kill the manned (non-firing) acks.
12 - Kill field radar and then everything else.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2001, 04:58:00 AM »
Wotan has 44 kills and has been killed 9 times against the PT Boat.

last tour.......

The best thing to do is get in a pt boat offline and go external view and see where his field of fire is.

I dive from ded above on the aft section. there is a 40mm gun here that will kill you but most folks cant aim it.

190s are are a different plane in both wb 2.xx and wb3 then any other flight sim I've flown. apparently they match the numbers but I dont know they are different.

The d9 in ah is a killer in the hands of a guy who flies it well. same with all planes.

The 190 series will kill you more then you get killed by the nme. But if you stay on top of it and manage your "e" and try to stay some what disciplined they are great rides.

Deacking a field.....

well what I'm gonna tell ya makes no sense.

the slower you go the better off you are to make it through the ack.

go offline and go to a small field.

you have 8 acks 4 arranged east 4 west. 1 of the 4 on each side are mannable 37mm ack.

Heres how I do it

I kill the vh ack first. dont go in at high speed but about 250 or less and roll away from the field.

Then line up on the west side. If you come from the n the kill the 1st 2 ack on the west side then theres a manned ack (u can kill it if you have a good line but I usually get the ai 1st) and then theres 1 ack on the south west side kill it and roll west.

Then I come in from the N on the east side ack, they are lined up 3 in a row.


keep slo under 250 at 2k walk your rounds into the ack with short burst. 1 2 3 just like that.

Then I kill the manned ack.

The towns are different theres 3 deadly ack there.

2 are grouped together line those up and kill them then get the last 1. keep your speed lo and dont fly directly at the ack walk ur rounds in.

Just takes some practice may be I'll make a film fer ya later to show you how I do it.

We have a theory as to why the slower you go the less likely ack will be to hit you. Its probrably bunk but we think that if you came in fast it would be real easy to deack a field that has fighters uppin from it. So the slower you go it gives the guys uppin a chance to run you down.

Its mostly likely bs but it makes sense how ever most folks deack undefended fields then vulch and I must admit it I do too..... :)

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2001, 05:01:00 AM »
didnt see mandoble post my experience is the direct opposite.

at hi speed the ack will get ya. at slower speed I'v deacked med and large fields easy.........

I'm sure my squaddies would attest to
that......

Mandoble way might work but I kill the ack 99% of the tim my way.

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2001, 06:12:00 AM »
Welcome scrmbl!

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2001, 06:40:00 AM »
good post  :)

HTC must have a nice smile reading this  :)

welcome scrambl/beet1e

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2001, 07:00:00 AM »
Since WB 2.77 is free until Christmas, I thought I get a free account and fly a bit.

Short answer, I can't.  I couldn't get the stick calibrated to fly without all kinds of nose bounce and oscillation, and the more I played with stick settings the worse it got, until now I can't even get the auto-level to stay engaged.  Spent about 1 1/2 hours twiddling and finally gave up.

Thought my stick had broken so I tried AH - it still works perfectly here.

Kudos to AH for putting together such a solid sim.  You've spoiled us.

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2001, 10:59:00 AM »
Hyas Scrmbl

Nice observations !

The attack on PT boats that are paying attention is hard, just like on a Buffer that's paying attention, but the attack on ack is not a problem as long as you never fly a straight line towards one.

Grab some plane with cal 50s, because they have good range and put out a lot of rounds, and you don't need many hits to kill an ack and fly a slightly curved approach onto the ack emplacement, strafing over it. Should be easy enough (mind you you'll be killed every once in a while but i guess that's realistic enough  :)

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2001, 11:02:00 AM »
40mm rules for taking out ackstar B-17s!!   ;)
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2001, 11:29:00 AM »
I think some people just wait for an opportunity to whip out their stats everyday  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2001, 11:52:00 AM »
Welcome Scrmbl

I will give ya some of my thoughts.

PT boats - I love killing them. Easy as heck.
Just carry rockets.  Dive at a PT boat, fire one rocket from D1.2 just in front of the PT boat nose, Boom, anudder ded PT.   :)  Works about 95% of the time.

Field Ack - EZ to kill really, just never fly even close to a straight line near it, dont count on speed to save you.  You can circle a field low smacking acks like wild if you keep the turn tight.  They have a real hard time hitting a turning target.  I have killed more than 6 acks on one run this way. Even took all the ack down from a field a couple times using the hard turn tactic.  

190s - Yup, they turn pretty well here, not like WB.  From the reading I have done, this is pretty accurate.  190s were good performers in most ways in real life, and had a decent turn rate.   Big tip, dont get caught low and slow in a hog.   :)

I think you will like AH more and more as you learn it.  Like you I came from WB.  I was very frustrated with the constant crappy changes they made, mostly to please whiney minority groups.  When they made the F6F guns more lethal than the HurricaneII cannons, I had enough.

I went back and tried WB once since I quit, found the connects suck, lag and mini-warps horrible, FM mushy, gunnery still a joke, and the game just as it was 5 years ago.

Enjoy the game,

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2001, 12:00:00 PM »
Welcome Scrmbl. I too came from WB. I tried it again about 6 months ago and the reasons I left were still there.

WBIII is leaps and bounds beyond the 2.xx but I can't run it. I have a Voodoo5500 and WBIII doesn't support that card. Don't blame them either actually, its an outdated card, but as long as it's working for me here, I'll stay with it  :).

Yeah, the 190 in AH is a killer. I still haven't gotten the transition of them turning. They still surprise the heck outta me. Guess I'm expecting them to nose down and fly away. What was it lazs called em, run90's, lol.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2001, 12:08:00 PM »
I kept my WBs account open till WB3 open beta. After 5 year of WBs i was so dissapointed in WB3 that i finally close my account. My intention was to keep both accounts going. Im very happy here.

As for PT boat, Typhoon kills em dead with a small burst on a straffing run.


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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2001, 12:45:00 PM »
My feelings about leaving WarBirds are no different from what I just read above.  I really, really miss all the guys I flew with for five years but I don't miss the sim.  
   I lost half my squad to boredom before moving to AH. It was like time had froze the last two years.  No one who came with us regrets it.  
    AH is a fine product and worth every penny.

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