Author Topic: Russian word for "Kettle" (Read 781 times)

Batz · « **on:** February 15, 2004, 05:57:06 AM »

- a metallic vessel usually used for boiling liquids

Here's the context:

During Oct '44 - May '45 the German defenders in Courland (Kurland) referred to the the area as the Courland Kettle (Kurland-Kessel). I assume this means like a "pressure cooker" or at the boiling point (ready to boil over).

Is there a similiar Russian word for this context?

Sikboy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2004, 09:04:01 AM »

My wife is so much better at this than I am... hang on a minute

-Sik

Sikboy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2004, 09:18:16 AM »

Hmmm, I've come up with a few, obviously I'd defer to the Natives on this, but I find that people are always quicker to correct than to assist

Kettle: Chainik (doesn't have the right connotation IMO)
Pressure Cooker: Skorovarka
Crucible: Tigel

I can't come up with anything that has effective alliteration though

-Sik

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2004, 10:21:35 AM »

I'm fluent in russian, so here's some info:

CHIANIK is tea kettle, derived from the word CHIA--Russian for Tea

SKAVOROTKA is a frying pan

SAMOVAR is a russian tea brewing device that boils and brews and releases the ready tea through a spigot.

skora-varka, derived from the words skora(fast) and vareet(to boil) is a pressure cooker.

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2004, 10:57:54 AM »

Kessel was used for any encircelment.
Smolensk, Wjasma, Demjansk, Stalingrad etc.

Curval · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2004, 11:02:52 AM »

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Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens
Kessel was used for any encircelment.
Smolensk, Wjasma, Demjansk, Stalingrad etc.

yep...but isn't that a German word?

Sway · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2004, 11:33:00 AM »

Wow... Something educational on the O-Club, thats a first.

ramzey · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2004, 12:21:24 PM »

kociol by polish

tigel will be best translation

pugg666 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2004, 12:54:33 PM »

I believe they're reffering to cauldron not kettle. For example Oosterbeek (IIRC) was called der hexen kessel, the witches cauldron. As for the Russian word..shrecked if I know.

ramzey · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2004, 01:36:29 PM »

KOTIEL

http://forum.wbfree.net/forums/showthread.php?p=266442#post266442

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2004, 01:46:42 PM »

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Originally posted by pugg666
I believe they're reffering to cauldron not kettle. For example Oosterbeek (IIRC) was called der hexen kessel, the witches cauldron. As for the Russian word..shrecked if I know.

Couldron (or pot) is Kastryula

Batz · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2004, 03:15:32 PM »

I speak neither German nor Russian.

Is KOTIEL correct for the context I described above? I don't really need the direct translation of Kettle to Russian unless it expresses the same meaning in the context above.

I guess first I would need to correctly define the meaning of the term "Kessel" in this context.

Is it a term referring just to "encirclement" or to the level of fighting within an encirclement?

pugg666 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:09:25 PM »

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Is it a term referring just to "encirclement" or to the level of fighting within an encirclement?

It refers to the intensity of the fighting, house to house...even room to room fighting. Read Cornelius Ryan's A Bridge too far and you get a lot of good descriptions of what you could consider a "kessel".

ramzey · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:31:11 PM »

yes batz, kotiel is exacly what kettel mean

same as dish where witches boil mixtures ;-)

on of meaning is surronding enemy forces and fight with them without possibility of retreat

Batz · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2004, 06:01:59 PM »