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Offline Zazen13

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2004, 04:54:02 PM »
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The best exit strategy I've seen is that demonstrated by Leviathn and Drex....Kill 'em all... And fly home at your leisure. ;)

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Yea, that works real well, especially when you are near their field, and the ones you killed keep re-upping and come to hunt your head while you are engaged with his friends ;)

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2004, 05:21:30 PM »
"And who knows, maybe you will find yourself on the six of a Knight P-38 "

You're safe for now, Ack, I just made a permanent switch to Knits and joined a squad on Knit side, left my Airraider's squad on the rooks side.

Over the past two months the Airraiders went shopping for a new home outside of Bishland. I wanted to go Knit cause Wilby is a personal friend of mine here in Socal, he's the one that got me started on this.

The shopping around was kinda fun, it's funny to see how one side always thinks the other two sides are working against them, in reality none of the countries work "together" in any meaningful way to any appreciable extent. It's really about the same situation on all three, bunch of good players, about the same amount of drama, a few grumpy byotches.

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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2004, 06:36:04 PM »
last tour:

jb73 has 61 kills and has been killed 5 times against the B-17G.
 
jb73 has 41 kills and has been killed 6 times against the B-26B
 
jb73 has 13 kills and has been killed 1 time against the Lancaster III.



i played 98 hours (in the air) which is quite a bit (though alot less than others)

as far as killing bombers go, it's all about the approach and deflection. learning to skid while comming across is huge. gunnery also helps make every round help.

personally big juicy bombers are my favorite target and i actively search them out. if you want better "scores" dont "furball" plain and simple.

fly long boring sorties cherry-picking and live to land.

fun? then play the game. some people have fun working for score, but usually get burned out by it after a few tours (just look at my stats this tour, i barely fly and dont do great when i do) all because i was determined to "score" higher than i have ever last tour.

i finished 6th and for somone like me thats amazing LOL. im NOWHERE a good pilot i just understand how the scoring system works.

oh well my 2¢, or another lame thought by yours truly, or another post to ignore, or whatever you want or need it to be.
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2004, 06:52:31 PM »
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Yea, that works real well, especially when you are near their field, and the ones you killed keep re-upping and come to hunt your head while you are engaged with his friends ;)

Zazen


Last evening, we took our whole squad to the TA and then DA for some work P-38s vs SpitVs.

Flying from the 15k fields produced exactly what you mention. We'd kill all of them, just in time to deal with 4 more diving from above....

Finally we went to the 2k fields to avoid that. So, we killed them all again... and they re-up in 262s! LOLOLOL So, we upped 163s..

Nothing like friendly intra-squad fun....

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2004, 06:53:53 PM »
That brings up a good question, how the heck does the ranking system work? Trying to reconcile my overall rank into my individual ranks just leaves me wondering wtf?

The only part of my score I really consider right now is K/D. I have to use something as a benchmark to see if I'm getting better, so I guess thats as good as anything. I vulch a little bit now and then, but most of my kills are from true dogfighting. I also quit dumping my planes whenever I landed and started hot padding, that would help my K/S, correct?

Right now, I just want to get K/D to over 1.5 and keep it there.

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2004, 07:06:04 PM »
for me a major leap in fighting ability was to get my hit% in fighter above 10%

never strafe ground objects as a fighter.

always do it as "attack"

k/d above 3 seems to be quite above average, but most just get there by vulching.

thats why i believe hit% a better gauge of how you fly and fight IMHO.

make every bullet count... dont spray from 1k trying to get a hit. 8 of 10 times all you'll do waste bullets.


as far as the ranking system... thats en entire thread. do a search on the BBS for "score" or rank" there are tons of writeups.
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2004, 08:00:13 PM »
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for me a major leap in fighting ability was to get my hit% in fighter above 10%

never strafe ground objects as a fighter.

always do it as "attack"

k/d above 3 seems to be quite above average, but most just get there by vulching.

thats why i believe hit% a better gauge of how you fly and fight IMHO.

make every bullet count... dont spray from 1k trying to get a hit. 8 of 10 times all you'll do waste bullets.


as far as the ranking system... thats en entire thread. do a search on the BBS for "score" or rank" there are tons of writeups.


Strange as it may seem, some actually find the tactical complexity of getting away with virtual airiel murder exhilerating. Killing is fun, killing and getting away with it is ecstacy. ;)

It's not about the rank or score, it's about the rush you get stalking your prey, executing a well thought out plan of attack and landing the pelt.

It's the thrill of the hunt ;)

When you go deer hunting do you leave your gun at home and wrestle that 14 point buck into submission, in the interest of fairness? Heck no! You put on camoflage, you bring a high calibre rifle with a high-powered scope, you use scent masking and tracking, you take your time and you shoot that buck right thru the heart from half a mile out. Is that fair? No. Are you securing all the advantages for yourself, leaving little to chance? Yup. But, you are still proud as hell when you mount that buck's head in your den.

It's the thrill of the hunt! ;)


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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2004, 08:11:52 PM »
I'm glad this thread was brought up.  Any of you guys would be willing to help me in DA whenever you get a chance.  I'm normally on in the morning and later at night-about 11:30 CST.  I've been to DA a few times, but it didn't help me much because most of the guys I dueled were noobs trying to prove a point.  I want to learn a few tricks from some of the better sticks in the game.  Also, I've noticed that I my kill/assist ratio sucks.  I have 148 kills and 87 assists.  That's waaaaay too many assists.  I was wondering what other players did when going for a kill.  It seems that my bullets only soften the enemy con so that someone else can come in and get the actual kill.  That's getting pretty old to me by now.  Anyway, look me up in the MA if anybody is willing to help.


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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2004, 11:49:01 PM »
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That brings up a good question, how the heck does the ranking system work? Trying to reconcile my overall rank into my individual ranks just leaves me wondering wtf?

The only part of my score I really consider right now is K/D. I have to use something as a benchmark to see if I'm getting better, so I guess thats as good as anything. I vulch a little bit now and then, but most of my kills are from true dogfighting. I also quit dumping my planes whenever I landed and started hot padding, that would help my K/S, correct?

Right now, I just want to get K/D to over 1.5 and keep it there.


In AW, K/D was pretty much the only statistic we had. It was practically the only measure of a fighter pilot other than the fictitious 'points' awarded. While there's no one statistic that paints the entire picture, K/D is certainly, from a historical perspective, the most important statistic. In the actual conflict of WW2, kills/sortie and kills/time were of zero consequence, these stats were not kept. Half the missions flown had no combat engagements whatsoever, so keeping track of those statistics would have been meaningless. The single statistic used to guage the success of an air combat unit during WW2 was Kills/Deaths.

Similiarly, Kills/Deaths in Aces High probably paints a very accurate portrait of someone's overall ability IF they fly with K/D in mind. K/D is an especially great indicator of someone's SA skill. Obviously, many players do not give a rats arse about K/D. So, K/D is only really a valid measuring tool if you are comparing it to others who care about it. Alot of people deliberately die to pad their Kills/Time, or just to save time getting into a fresh plane, so obviously using K/D as a measuring tool for them would be pointless.

If I had to pick one statistic that was the most meaningfull for measuring self-improvement in the kind of AH I enjoy it would be K/D, followed closely by Gunnery Hit %. I wish AW had had hit %, because it tells alot too. After an entire camp, even allowing for buff hunters and vulchers (enhances hit %), hit % tells alot about the relative skill of the pilot. Most 'good' pilots have a 10%-14%'ish hit %. The very best pilots have 15% to 20%+ hit %. I have yet to see a poor pilot with a good hit %. Likewise, I have yet to see a poor pilot with a good K/D (10 to 1 or better). I have seen many poor pilots with a decent K/S (alot of vulching and/or re-arming) and K/T (dying alot helps kills/time), alot of pilots even go out of their way to die just to pad their K/T.

Anyways, just food for thought.

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2004, 11:55:22 PM »
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...When you go deer hunting do you leave your gun at home and wrestle that 14 point buck into submission, in the interest of fairness?...
i dont kill bambi.

that fugn rabbit thumper has GOT to go though.



lol


that was sorta the point i was making about hit%...

for me its all about can i shoot somone down, but then above that how well can i do it and how efficently can i do it.
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2004, 12:11:42 AM »
Personaly, I'm enjoying the game and think I'm learning a lot more by never looking at my stats. I think if I accidently get any good, someone will tell me. Until then, what does it matter if the hit% is 1.6 or 3.5.? Its spraying and praying and I'm the first to know when I'm shooting at a plane. K/D ration of .6 or 1.3? Noticeable in game? I don't think so. If it gets to about 4 or 5 to 1, I think I'll know because I'll feel more like a hunter than prey.
I'm not knocking anyone going for the stats ( and am not claiming mine are low *only* because I don't worry about them - they're low because I suck), but this works for me.

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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2004, 12:16:29 AM »
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Personaly, I'm enjoying the game and think I'm learning a lot more by never looking at my stats. I think if I accidently get any good, someone will tell me. Until then, what does it matter if the hit% is 1.6 or 3.5.? Its spaying and praying and I'm the first to know when I'm shooting at a plane. K/D ration of .6 or 1.3? Noticeable in game? I don't think so. If it gets to about 4 or 5 to 1, I think I'll know because I'll feel more like a hunter than prey.
I'm not knocking anyone going for the stats ( and am not claiming mine are low *only* because I don't worry about them - they're low because I suck), but this works for me.


Yup, using statistics for measuring ones' camp to camp MA performance and improvement is not for everyone. It's a tool for those who choose to use it, nothing more. Like you said, you are either the hunter or the prey, we all have an intuitive understanding of which we are in the MA without having to look at our statistics.

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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2004, 12:35:01 AM »
>>you are either the hunter or the prey, we all have an intuitive understanding of which we are in the MA without having to look at our statistics. <<

That said, there is no reason for things like hit% and k/d to be carried out 4 decimal places. That's a waste of floating point math :)

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2004, 01:05:29 AM »
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"And who knows, maybe you will find yourself on the six of a Knight P-38 "

You're safe for now, Ack, I just made a permanent switch to Knits and joined a squad on Knit side, left my Airraider's squad on the rooks side.

Over the past two months the Airraiders went shopping for a new home outside of Bishland. I wanted to go Knit cause Wilby is a personal friend of mine here in Socal, he's the one that got me started on this.

The shopping around was kinda fun, it's funny to see how one side always thinks the other two sides are working against them, in reality none of the countries work "together" in any meaningful way to any appreciable extent. It's really about the same situation on all three, bunch of good players, about the same amount of drama, a few grumpy byotches.



Holler over country channel and I'll form up on your wing for a few sorties.


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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2004, 01:22:04 AM »
Hehehe interesting thread.. you whackos!!!

I'd like to be good enough that members of the other teams tell each other stuff like: " Steve is in his pony on the deck  at A8."
I think you've really made an impression if people are  either looking out for you or hunting you. Like Todd's V, Shane's La7 (pony last night).  
I still remember the first time I fought WT.  He was defending a low base w/ a handful of others. I had a bit of  E but just couldn't corner him.  While I was trying to pin him down he killed a couple of my teammates.  Finally, he wriggled away, avoiding being nabbed by a numerically superior enemy.
I said "Geeeeez.. who the heck is in that pony?"
Comes the answer: "Oh that's Wldthing, he's really good in the mustang."

Edit:  That was well over a year ago WT.  I think I'd get a little closer this time around.  
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