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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2004, 01:55:02 PM »
Why are you asking people about what they think of you, Barbi?:eek:

Better go find some ambulances to chase, so you have some work.

Why no comment in the other thread on the re-supply of Typhoons to bring the RCAF squadrons back to operational status "with-in a few days"?
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Offline psob2

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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2004, 02:24:55 PM »
the only clown i've noticed is Isegrim the nazi apologist/revisionist.

its a shame that this thread has degenerated into what was or wasn't terror bombing.

the stories of humanity and compassion rising above the horror of war were very compelling. thanks to those who posted them.
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Offline frank3

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« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2004, 02:29:46 PM »
What was this thread about again?
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2004, 08:10:18 PM »
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"the only clown i've noticed is Isegrim the nazi apologist/revisionist. "
hehe,well said, although I must confess that he does sometimes provide good data links.Sort of my opinion, untill proven otherwize.
I wish Boroda would enter a debate like this, - then we'd see some action, hehe
Anyway, this thread was supposed to bring forth POSITIVE and CHIVALRIOUS stories from ww2, which sadly were not too many compared to the massive amount of the darker sort.
I brought one, I will find another, please all do.
The topic of this thread is after all very very nice!
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2004, 03:15:19 AM »
The Luftwaffe also bombed Zaragoza in the Spanish Civil War. They were great guys. Here's a website to your taste Isegrim:

http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/idx.htm

Although reading some of the 'articles', I wouldn't be surprised if you get your inspiration from them.
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Offline Pepe

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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2004, 03:30:18 AM »
Milo Morai,

While the Guernika bombing was indeed a trial in terror bombing, it was done in express contradiction with Franco's explicit orders not to target Civilians. Guernika is, from I have read (and I did quite a bit) a German essay about terror bombing made out of Franco's knowledge and used a LOT by republican propaganda which tried to move international support along his cause.

Fact is that it caused 120 dead people in a 5000 inhabitantas vilage. Hardly a "massacre". But in a dirty war like Spanish Civil War, propaganda could be even more devastating.

Regards,
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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2004, 07:25:34 AM »
If Guernica was intended as a terror bombing, please tell me why they did bother aiming for the bridge, telling the crew to go for it ? Why complicate things ?

Why not just tell them go there and kill everybody ?

Psob, me a nazi apoligst and other bs ? I am sure somebody in your family took a very active part in the holocaust, hence your aggressive stance. Ugly family history.

Dowding, you visit interesting sites...  :rolleyes:
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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2004, 07:32:53 AM »
What happened to your German Supermen Barbi? They could not even hit the bridge, not even once, and in daylight when it was quite visible. :rolleyes: :rofl :rofl

The bridge was the excuse.:)
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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2004, 07:39:14 AM »
Unguided bombs are by no means precision weapons, they missed more often than not. "German superman"? Is smell a very clear sign of racism in your posts, which are tendenciosly anti-german all the time, and sometimes anti-french.

After all, you have to hate somebody for what a pathetic life you have. Jews, Germans, Arabs, the French - it`s easy to pick for you. sitting in front of the monitor all day, hitting refresh ever half a minute and dying of boredom if you can`t incite a dirty little flame war, like you did in this thread, and you do on other forums. So far your activity on these boards was only destructive and poisioning, and nobody profited from it. You don`t provide any information, just ruin threads, until they degenerate into a mud fest.

I doubt that anybody likes your presence here. Not even the people I often don`t agree with.
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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2004, 07:42:25 AM »
I think you hit a nerve, MiloMorai... and quite possibly the truth.
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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2004, 07:46:14 AM »
Some interesting titles from the site Dowding likes to visit :

"England declares the Jewish war on the world"
"Greetings From Auschwitz"
"The Spiritual Struggle of National-Socialism:"
"THE SLAYING OF A VIKING - The Epic of Vidkun Quisling"
"Science, harmful to Holocaust-Industry"
"PEARL HARBOR: MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES"

I don`t think much comment should be made on somebody who knows such a site so well as Dowding.
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Offline Angus

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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2004, 07:47:10 AM »
Milo a Nazi-hater? Nooooooooooooooo.
Isengrim: I think you are the only one on this board that belives that the LW did not use terror bombing as a method.
BTW, only one of my polish sources was from poland.
Anyway, it is beyond dispute what method was applied to set Warshaw ablaze: Shovelling incendiaries through the side door of Ju52's.
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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2004, 07:59:01 AM »
LOL Barbi, I started a flame war.:rofl :rofl :rofl

Who was it the mentioned the RAF attacks as terror raids, Barbi? All I did was show that it was not the Brits that did it first and to an undefended town, Guernica, which Dresden was far from being.:eek:

As for the German Supermen you are the one that is claiming that the Germans built the best of everthing and no one else could come close. Nashwan, Angus myself and some others are only trying to get you back to reality from your fantasy world of the uber German war machine. You are the one always putting down American and British weapons of war.

Yes Dowding, I would not put it past Barbi for being a Neo-Nazi or at least a closet Nazi. You should have seen the words he used on you before he did his edit - foul, foul, foul.

Now I am so glad to hear that unguided bombs are by no means precision weapons. :eek:

Dowdings site is your required reading Barbi. Right up your line of thought.
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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2004, 08:01:35 AM »
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Originally posted by Angus
Isengrim: I think you are the only one on this board that belives that the LW did not use terror bombing as a method.


In this board ? I dont know. There are ones who actually believe here that the RAF BC was not using terror bombing as a ("the" would be more appropriate) method. I never see you argue about that. Why ?

I know that the "terror bombing" version of Guernica/Warsaw/Rotterdam is a myth and was developed by Allied propaganda. I have already said that you can find examples of German terror bombing, i.e "Vergeltung" and the bombing of Belgrade,but  the case is you don`t really want to get that, and wish to stay with your preconception. Sadly this won`t make the above 3 cities a case of terror bombings.
If you have read any serious books in the subject you would know that as well... I suppose you should start with James S. Corum`s : "The Luftwaffe
Creating the Operational Air War, 1918–1940" instead of a google search...

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/corluf.html

Drawing heavily upon archival sources, Corum discloses the debates within the General Staff--led by the likes of Hans van Seeckt, Helmuth Wilberg, Wolfram von Richthofen, and Walter Wever--about the future role of airpower and the problems of aligning aviation technology with air doctrine. He challenges previous accounts and demolishes a number of myths, for example demonstrating that Germany did not dismiss the potential of strategic bombing or embrace terror bombing of civilian populations, and was not heavily influenced by its popular culture's romance with aviation.
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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2004, 08:16:18 AM »
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Milo a Nazi-hater? Nooooooooooooooo.


Angus, I have no use for the Messicraps.:) (have to use 'crap' as can't use the 's' word)

My favourite a/c are those designed by Kurt Tank. Did he not design those a/c for the LW?:eek:

Here is another of Barbi's dumb claims.

The late model 109s had better vision for the pilot to the rear than did pilots in bubble canopy a/c such as the P-47, P-51, Spitfire, Typhoon, Tempest.

Something else I found out about Barbi. He joined Vo101, a Il-2/FB squad, but finds that it is much too stressful to participate in online combat.:):aok
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