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Steve · « **Reply #60 on:** February 23, 2004, 03:39:08 PM »

Actually, I liked Lazs answer just fine. Over there, you all have about the same potential for being a victim.

beet1e · « **Reply #61 on:** February 23, 2004, 03:57:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Actually, I liked Lazs answer just fine. Over there, you all have about the same potential for being a victim.

I'm the one asking the questions, matey. And I haven't had an answer to my question yet!

And you're wrong anyway. There were MANY victims of armed villains driving rental cars in Florida, according to John9001. There have been NONE in Europe. Hardly what I call "the same potential".

Of course, in typical Lazs style, there have been answers to multiple different questions, but not the one I asked.

Steve · « **Reply #62 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:10:47 PM »

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There have been NONE in Europe. Hardly what I call "the same potential".

You misunderstand, my friend. In Florida since there is a chance a person of the general populace is armed and tourists are almost never armed, the tourists would be considered targets of opportunity.

Over there, you are all targets of opportunity.

Hope that clears things up,

Toodles.

ravells · « **Reply #63 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:20:58 PM »

From what I read in the papers, there are increasing incidents of people driving posh cars being 'car jacked' with people carrying guns. (sorry beetle)

Havn't heard of a single incident of someone in a rental car being car jacked robbed though.

This whole question about gun ownership and crime revolves around the relative number of crimes committed by criminals who use guns. I would guess in the US it's much higher than in the UK, but at some stage, when that many criminals have guns then we will need to think about having ordinary people owning guns here to make criminals think twice.

As Storch says, there is crime in Europe and crime in the States, the only difference is that the weapons may vary. But what chance would Storch have had if he and his mates had exited the nightclub and been confronted by people with handguns rather than knives?

We can use lots of implements to kill each other, but guns are just so much more efficient at it - it's what they're designed for.

Ravs

beet1e · « **Reply #64 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:26:36 PM »

Nope. We still do not have an answer to my question. It's very simple - no need to digress. Overt tagging of rental cars in Florida = BIG problem. Overt (very overt!) tagging of rental cars in Europe = NO problem.

So why's that then?

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Storch: i have never even come close to having a problem.

Neither have I.

Ripper29 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:34:56 PM »

The other possibility is that being a tourist there is a less likely chance that the victim will return to testify against the person(s) that committed the crime(s). In the early 80's there were a number of tourists robbed and assaulted in Hawaii, at that time it was prohibitive (cost) for the victims to return to the Islands to testify and as a result many tourists were targeted. The State, along with hotels and other businesses, realized the potential loss of tourist dollars and implemented a program in which they would assume some, if not all, of the cost of bringing the victim back to testify. As a result of this initiative the number of crimes committed against tourists declined. Currently Honolulu PD is working with Japanese Police on an exchange program to understand each others cultures better, in addition to this they are trying to develop a video link system in which victims are able to testify from Japan in stead of returning to the Islands.

Steve · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:35:04 PM »

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We still do not have an answer to my question. It's very simple - no need to digress. Overt tagging of rental cars in Florida = BIG problem. Overt (very overt!) tagging of rental cars in Europe = NO problem.

In Florida since there is a chance a person of the general populace is armed and tourists are almost never armed, the tourists would be considered targets of opportunity.

Over there, you are all targets of opportunity.

straffo · « **Reply #67 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:39:22 PM »

Target of what ?

You pre-suppose our criminals are comparable to the US one.

And it's wrong , we don't have the same crime rate (especially concerning weapon assault.)

mrblack · « **Reply #68 on:** February 23, 2004, 05:09:41 PM »

Study this

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #69 on:** February 23, 2004, 05:13:33 PM »

This country started down the toilet when we forget WHY we kicked the English out.
-SW

mrblack · « **Reply #70 on:** February 23, 2004, 05:14:17 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
This country started down the toilet when we forget WHY we kicked the English out.
-SW

Something to do with crappy tea right?

beet1e · « **Reply #71 on:** February 23, 2004, 06:59:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
In Florida since there is a chance a person of the general populace is armed and tourists are almost never armed, the tourists would be considered targets of opportunity.

Over there, you are all targets of opportunity.

Not good enough. If we were all targets of opportunity, why are there NO cases of clearly identifiable rental cars being attacked by armed villains? Can you think of anything that's different in Europe versus America? ... erm...., erm..., um...

... help me out, guys!

straffo · « **Reply #72 on:** February 24, 2004, 12:41:44 AM »

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In response to beetle, mate, how do you know that not to be a factor? in countries where the press is some what less then free. do you think that the french media (as an example) would cover stories about tourists being assaulted?

Certainly it's covered ,and it's handled by the police quite fast in general for your information in france we don't have oil and one of our best source of money is tourism.

And your insinuation about our *cough* free press confirm what I thing of your *cough* intelligence.

As I side note I already worked in a almost "black" area it's was a good experience of friendship and cultural exchange.
But you should not confuse an african black with an ghetoized american black.

Steve · « **Reply #73 on:** February 24, 2004, 12:49:32 AM »

Beet, I'm not going to have a discussion w/ you when you aren't making any sense. I'll catch you on another thread.

You said there are no clear cases of bad guys going for rental cars . Says who? How the heck do you know that n o one in a rental car was assaulted?
For the third time: There's no need for them to as any car will do because the likelihood of facing an armed victim is the same across the boards. If you can't get this, I can'y help you..... out.

beet1e · « **Reply #74 on:** February 24, 2004, 03:58:03 AM »

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And your insinuation about our *cough* free press confirm what I thing of your *cough* intelligence.

ROFL Frédéric! That will have cut deep!

Steve, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. You say I'm not making any sense. You're the one not making sense. Your best answer to my question, which was why it's OK in Europe to have big signs on cars which identify them as rental cars was "because we're all targets of opportunity". Huh?

It's like Straffo says. France depends heavily on tourism, and so does Spain - perhaps even more so than France. And we do get to hear about problems. Things like timeshare touts selling half completed properties, pickpockets in some areas perhaps.

In Florida as John9001 tells us in his own words: "Many tourists were car jacked,robbed , raped, killed. Of course this hurt our tourist industry." The situation was so bad that the state had to pass laws governing the appearance/placement of tags identifying rental cars as rentals.

But no such legislation has been deemed necessary in Europe. If the European tourist trade were to have been targeted in the manner you suggest, action would have been taken. But it hasn't, so there wasn't.

Oh wait, am I as easy a target as a rental car with big orange signs? Been driving since 1972, and never got attacked by an armed gang. Guess I was just lucky. But oh! No-one I have ever known got shot either by one of those Florida-style opportunist gangs.