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« on: February 20, 2004, 12:56:59 PM »
U.S. eases test rules for immigrant kids  
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By Tracy Dell'Angela and Jodi S. Cohen, Tribune staff reporters. Tribune staff reporter Darnell Little and Tribune news services contributed to this report

Schools with large populations of immigrant students will soon get some breathing room from testing requirements under reforms announced Thursday by federal and state education officials.


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Educators have complained that the current testing system too often labels as failures children with limited English skills and the schools where they are concentrated. Under the federal No Child Left Behind law, schools are held accountable for the test scores of various subgroups of students, including those with limited English skills.


The announcement may help blunt growing criticism of the law, which President Bush (news - web sites) is touting as he seeks re-election. But school officials say it addresses only a fraction of their complaints about the law's requirements and costs.


The federal changes, to take effect this year, will allow schools to exempt all students who are in their first year of attending a school in the U.S. from taking the reading test. These first-year students would take the math test, but schools would not be required to report those scores.


The U.S. Department of Education (news - web sites) also will broaden the definition of limited-English students so that some of the higher achieving students are included. Now, the only students counted in this subgroup are those in bilingual or English-as-a-second-language programs, not those who have transitioned to mainstream classes.


The change would allow schools to keep such children in the limited-English subgroup for up to two years after they are considered proficient in English, a move that is expected to boost the subgroup's scores and give schools more credit for helping them progress.


In East Aurora, the change could be enough to get Rollins Elementary off the federal list of failing schools. The school has seen dramatic gains in test scores, but the performance of its English learners still fell short of state goals, putting the school on the list.


"It makes me angry that my school and my students are considered failures. This should definitely help," Principal Karen Hart said.


Federal education officials said the changes reflect a willingness to respond to protests from states and school districts that the rules for English learners are unreasonable. There are 5.5 million English learners in U.S. schools, and an estimated 169,000 in Illinois. State data show that this population posted the lowest reading scores of all groups measured--with fewer than 15 percent passing the Illinois Standards Achievement Test in reading in grades 5, 8 and 11 last year.


"We are listening to their issues and ideas for improvement as the law continues to be implemented," Education Secretary Rod Paige said in Washington. "Our goal is to provide the maximum flexibility while remaining faithful to the spirit of the law."


In Illinois, officials also announced their intention to replace the Illinois Measure of Annual Growth in English reading test with a new assessment by 2006. The test--now given to limited-English students--was widely criticized by bilingual experts because it was designed to measure English acquisition and not reading achievement.


"We're not satisfied with IMAGE, so it will be enhanced to be a more accurate measure of student achievement," said Lynne Curry, director of planning and performance for the Illinois State Board of Education. The state is exploring the possibility of creating achievement tests in Spanish and Polish--which would cover about 90 percent of the state's English learners--but officials acknowledged that could prove controversial.


"At this point we're looking at every option," Curry said.


Even before the federal reforms were announced Thursday, the state board had already decided to broaden its definition of limited-English students. Curry said she expects the changes could be implemented in time for next month's standardized tests.


"We think it will make [the law] more fair," Curry said. "The idea is you are taking out the lower performers and adding back the higher performers. We'll have to see if it's really going to help."


Federal education officials said the changes reflect a practical fix to a common-sense complaint: English learners, as a group, will never show enough math or reading achievement because the group includes only students further behind, not the ones who improve.


"This will be a big help, but it will also continue to emphasize that children are in an accountability system," said Ron Tomalis, a senior adviser to the U.S. Department of Education. "It will ensure they are attaining English skills necessary to achieve and succeed."

   



Officials at schools with high concentrations of bilingual students welcomed the changes as long overdue and said the new rules will ease the challenges they faced under the No Child Left Behind Act. Some 278 schools statewide had enough English learners to be held accountable for their scores under federal reform rules.

"For a district like ours, [these changes] would be a gigantic benefit," said Angel Rivera, assistant superintendent for English language learners in West Chicago District 33. Two of the district's six grade schools did not meet state standards last year because of the performance of their English learners.

Officials in the Chicago Public Schools system, which has more than 83,000 English learners representing more than 100 native languages, said the changes are helpful but do not address some of the broader problems with the federal law. The biggest impact will be felt at the 15 Chicago schools who met federal testing requirements in every area except in the academic scores of their English learners.

"It's a step in the right direction, but we don't think it's enough," said Xavier Botana, director of the district's No Child Left Behind programs. "They [federal officials] are just extending to other states what Illinois has already proposed."

Gregg Crocker, principal of Robert Frost Elementary School in Mt. Prospect, was pleased that the scores of first-year students would not be counted but still feels the law is deeply flawed.

At Frost, three classes are dedicated to Polish speakers and nine classes to Spanish speakers. About 15 percent of Frost's limited-English students passed the reading test and 23 percent passed the math test last year, and Crocker said it's unfair that those students' scores negatively affect the school's image.

"I get questions [from community residents] about why my scores aren't as high as Northbrook and Buffalo Grove," he said. "When I explain that three out of four of our students speak Spanish or Polish at home, they don't have a lot of interest in listening."

The old testing requirements were especially unfair for the newest immigrants, said Mary Lee Borrero, principal of Glen Flora Elementary School in Waukegan. The changes should help improve test scores at Glen Flora, where half of its classrooms are devoted to English learners. Some 27 percent of these students passed reading tests while 40 percent met math goals last year.

"This is more realistic," Borrero said. "In their first year here, it is not only a new language but a whole new culture. It's a big shock."

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2004, 01:01:09 PM »
Whoo-hoo!  Another victory for the lowest common denominator!

Guess my future children will be going to private schools.

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2004, 01:04:37 PM »
me talk most ok engrish, me want be doktor.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2004, 01:05:00 PM »
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Whoo-hoo!  Another victory for the lowest common denominator!

Guess my future children will be going to private schools.


Exactly.  

Vouchers.  Now.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2004, 01:11:39 PM »
If there is one thing that gets my panties in a bunch is people who come to this country and expect to be catered to because they don't (or refuse to) speak english.



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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2004, 01:42:15 PM »
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U.S. eases test rules for immigrant kids  
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MrBlack you are in violation of the new BBS posting rules.

All post must be in English followed by Spanish, Chinese, Korean, and Esperanto transcripts for those who do not speak English.

Further violations will place you on the banned lists.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2004, 01:44:17 PM »
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If there is one thing that gets my panties in a bunch is people who come to this country and expect to be catered to because they don't (or refuse to) speak english.
 


here in canada we dont even let people in unless they can mostly understand english...

and if you didnt want those immagrents then america shouldent have been billed as the land of oppurtunity...they should have taken the much more sensible canadian approach of giving land away for free provided you farm it

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2004, 01:56:44 PM »
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Educators have complained that the current testing system too often labels as failures children with limited English skills and the schools where they are concentrated.


I remember a situation vividly.  Back when I was a substitute teacher at a junior high school, I taught a girl who had been caught in this.  She'd been held back a grade because she had come to America from Spain and didn't have strong English writing skills.  She was in the AP Math courses but was in the regular-level English classes.  I felt bad for her.  I asked her once what it was like to be the oldest girl in her classes and she said "All the boys in my classes are like little boys.  I am too much a woman for them."

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2004, 02:05:08 PM »
anyone left out there who doesn't see the need for a voucher system yet?

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2004, 04:06:06 PM »
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here in canada we dont even let people in unless they can mostly understand english...

and if you didnt want those immagrents then america shouldent have been billed as the land of oppurtunity...they should have taken the much more sensible canadian approach of giving land away for free provided you farm it


Never said anything about not wanting the immigrants, and America IS the land of opportunity.  However, you have got to want it and you have to work for it.  They are all welcome provided they learn and speak english, become citizen and can support themselves through legal means.  If said person isn't willing to do all that, then they can stay hell out.

Ya got any free land up there you want to give away to me????  I speeka egrish reel welp!!  :D

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2004, 04:09:51 PM »
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Ya got any free land up there you want to give away to me???? I speeka egrish reel welp!!


your about 80 years to late for that...

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2004, 04:54:33 PM »
Aren't they just trying to recognize there is a learning curve that has to be taken into consideration? Just because somebody can't speak english yet doesn't mean they are stupid or they don't want to learn. It's not really the immigrants who get dinged under this system, it's the other kids whose good results get skewed. I believe that lower scoring schools get less program $$ until they bring their performance up, so to have a recent immigrant's results graded on the same basis as a native born student only serves to ding the school unfairly. I'm not too excited about most immigration issues, but I can't say that I disagree with this one.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2004, 05:31:39 PM »
Back in '96 (?), they proposed something similar to this in California. The vote passed in favor of not catering to such students. The state government at the time decided not to implement it. They basically told the voters, "Even though you voted on it and it was passed, you really didn't want it, so screw you."

Between that and props 209/210 is when I figured out just how little voting actually ment.

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2004, 05:35:56 PM »
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The federal changes, to take effect this year, will allow schools to exempt all students who are in their first year of attending a school in the U.S. from taking the reading test. These first-year students would take the math test, but schools would not be required to report those scores.


That there echplains it rather well. New immigrant students probably dont speak english well so why give them a test that they will most likely fail. This also allows the schools to be a bit more accurately catagorized or reflected in scholastic achievment. Some immigrant students who come to the US may speak english (they teach english in other countries) well or at least coherently but may still fail a written test the first year. Of all of the schooling systems in the world, the US has the most difficulties because of the diverse ethnic groups and languages of the immigrant students. Other countries got it much easier in that regard say Japan or Germany or the UK.

However around here where I live, there are some excellant schools and some crap ones. Some people regard them as ghetto schools but they pump out some excellant students regardless (because of the commitment of the staff). Wanna put your kid in a good school, check out its records and test scores and compared that to the national average. Best thing you could do and its free. Private schools do not always ensure a better education. My own opinion from personal experience.
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2004, 05:50:42 PM »
Did you know that to become a citizen of the United States that you had to take a test demonstrating that you had the ability to read and write the English language.......thats why we print ballots in 140 different languages. In Miami the last election there were a lot of complaints that there were not enough translators at the polls to translate the ballots........Go figure.