B24?

[2Slow]

Would be nice!  It took the Fortress and the Liberator to win the battle.

[Rafe35]

Consolidated B-24 Liberator is the largest bomber production in the World War II and they make 18,188 of B24 Liberator, but Boeing B-17 still the best bomber in World War II.  

[Kommandant]

Naw, THIS is the Ultimate Bomber



whoops, Wrong War...

[hawker238]

No, more pics.

[United]

Originally posted by Rafe35
Consolidated B-24 Liberator is the largest bomber production in the World War II and they make 18,188 of B24 Liberator, but Boeing B-17 still the best bomber in World War II.  

I completely disagree with you on that.  Yes, there were more B24s made in WWII than any other bomber, but the B17 was NOT the best bomber of WWII statistically.  It is favored because it just got more publicity.

In Europe, there were Hollywood filmakers and reporters that flew along in the B17s and wrote many stories and made many movies about them.  These stories made the public believe the B17 was the best bomber of WWII.

But, in the Pacific B24s didnt get that kind of publicity, so they were, in a way, forgotten about and left out in the cold, unpublicized and unknown to many people.

Statistically the B24 was better than the B17 in range, bombload, and many other aspects of combat.  The only real advantage a B17 had over a B24 was that it could take more damage.  I can get you more information on this if you would like it.

[Rafe35]

Originally posted by United
I completely disagree with you on that.  Yes, there were more B24s made in WWII than any other bomber, but the B17 was NOT the best bomber of WWII statistically.  It is favored because it just got more publicity.

In Europe, there were Hollywood filmakers and reporters that flew along in the B17s and wrote many stories and made many movies about them.  These stories made the public believe the B17 was the best bomber of WWII.

But, in the Pacific B24s didnt get that kind of publicity, so they were, in a way, forgotten about and left out in the cold, unpublicized and unknown to many people.

Statistically the B24 was better than the B17 in range, bombload, and many other aspects of combat.  The only real advantage a B17 had over a B24 was that it could take more damage.  I can get you more information on this if you would like it.

Okay, You might be the person who "disagree," but I gotta tell ya Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress make it 100 Years of Wright Flight and I dont see B-24 on the lists.  Y'know, I know B-24 did pretty good job at ETO and same as for B-17 too, but What you said that B-24 was "forgotten" in PTO, Well I gotta say that you are wrong about B-24 was forgotten.  
I have found this quota about B-24 in ETO and PTO and I was going proof that B-24 are not "forgotten" in PTO.

"More B-24's were built than any other American airplane. It edged out the B-17 on most performance criteria (speed, range, bombload). It's crewmen claimed 2,600 enemy aircraft shot down. With it's great range, it performed anti-sub work in the Atlantic and heavy bomber support in the Pacific."

There some famous B-24 bomber like B-24 "Jolly Rogers" and B-24 "Dragon and his tail" and they both see action in PTO.  I dont know much about them, but I tell ya they have good lookin' skins and hopefully I would like to added them AH2, if we get can B-24 bombers soon.

Oh BTW!  If you know that there is another B-24-Like for US Navy and US Marines.  Consolidated PB4Y-1 "Navy Liberator" was almost like the B-24 Liberator, but the design has change couple times and here the picture you could see what is it like (Note, you might know but not many do)



The Navy (including the Coast Guard and Marine Corps) acquired 977 PB4Y-1's and equipped 24 VPB (Patrol Bombing) squadrons with them. Operating in both the Atlantic and Pacific, the PB4Y-1's destroyed 13 Axis submarines.

Now, How would you like that, United and no offense, I was just trying not to be rude, but prove your wrong about "Forgotten."

United  

[United]

Read all the words rafe

"In a way, forgotten".

I was speaking in terms of during the time, and how the B17 caught on and how the B24 did not.  I was saying that while WWII was going on, more people were hearing more about the B17 than about the B24. That is why I think the B17 is a more publically known aircraft than the B24.

Look back at your source, what year was it written?  I am willing to bet that it was not written during the time when the B17 was gaining popularity.

I know where you are coming from, and yes, I did say that they were kind of forgotten, but not entirely.  The B24 gained more popularity after WWII when stories from B24 crew members began to come out.  Now,most people who know about WWII know about B24s, but still know more about B17s because, as I said before, B17s are more popular than B24s.

And yes, I did know about the navy and marine versions of the B24  But, did you know about the PB4Y02 Privateer used by the navy, with a single, tall tail instead of the twin tail and a lengthened fuselage, allowing all sorts of different things to be done?

[Rafe35]

Originally posted by United
Read all the words rafe

"In a way, forgotten".

I was speaking in terms of during the time, and how the B17 caught on and how the B24 did not.  I was saying that while WWII was going on, more people were hearing more about the B17 than about the B24. That is why I think the B17 is a more publically known aircraft than the B24.

Look back at your source, what year was it written?  I am willing to bet that it was not written during the time when the B17 was gaining popularity.

I know where you are coming from, and yes, I did say that they were kind of forgotten, but not entirely.  The B24 gained more popularity after WWII when stories from B24 crew members began to come out.  Now,most people who know about WWII know about B24s, but still know more about B17s because, as I said before, B17s are more popular than B24s.

And yes, I did know about the navy and marine versions of the B24  But, did you know about the PB4Y02 Privateer used by the navy, with a single, tall tail instead of the twin tail and a lengthened fuselage, allowing all sorts of different things to be done?

Many people in the 1930s were impressed  that the Boeing create B-17 which Reporter call it "Flying Fortress" and the name stuck.  Now, I dont remember much of the B-17 past, but they were later famous before B-24 came around and still I dont know why.  
Anyway, B-24 did got see the movie that you probably havent see them and some of them are real short to tell that.  I have watch alot war movies, but not all of them and will looking forward to see them soon.  Yeah, I know about PB4Y-2 Privateer and they are good to get things job done!  

BTW, Have you read Wild Blues by Stephen E. Ambrose?  Good book thought.    

[brady]

At this point I ushualy make a lot of noise about how we realy dont nead another US Heavy bomber now and that it would be nice to see something from any one of several other underrepresented countrys in its stead in the short term.

[United]

BTW, Have you read Wild Blues by Stephen E. Ambrose? Good book thought.

Im reading something by Ambrose, Im not sure what the title is, but its about the B24 crews over Europe.  The Wild Blue sounds right, but Id have to check to make sure.  So far it is a pretty good book.

[United]

Originally posted by brady
At this point I ushualy make a lot of noise about how we realy dont nead another US Heavy bomber now and that it would be nice to see something from any one of several other underrepresented countrys in its stead in the short term.

Hmm Ill do it for ya Brady, CANT Z 2007.  Id still like to see a B24 though

[Rafe35]

Originally posted by brady
At this point I ushualy make a lot of noise about how we realy dont nead another US Heavy bomber now and that it would be nice to see something from any one of several other underrepresented countrys in its stead in the short term.

Brady, Combat Theaters and other area need B-24 for history and I understand that we dont need another heavy bomber, but it willing to be good for CT and others area.  

Originally posted by United
Im reading something by Ambrose, Im not sure what the title is, but its about the B24 crews over Europe.  The Wild Blue sounds right, but Id have to check to make sure.  So far it is a pretty good book.

It good book and some of them is about the missions, the crews, and the B-24 .  Good book

[Jester]

The B-29 SUPERFORTRESS was the best Allied Bomber of WW2 hands down. It was Light years ahead of the B-17 and B-24 with it's speed, durability, computerised gun system, pressurised cabins and other electronics.

It is about the same as comparing the ME-109 to the ME-262.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Jester
The B-29 SUPERFORTRESS was the best Allied Bomber of WW2 hands down. It was Light years ahead of the B-17 and B-24 with it's speed, durability, computerised gun system, pressurised cabins and other electronics.

It is about the same as comparing the ME-109 to the ME-262.

One could make a pretty good case for the Mosquito B.Mk XVI as being the best Allied bomber as well.  In terms of cost, crew/aircraft lost to tonnage delivered the Mosquito may be the best bomber of WWII.  A Mosquito would deliver 3,725lbs of bombs on 92 sorties on average whereas a Lancaster would deliver an average of 7,429lbs on an average service life of only 28 sorties.  342,700lbs for the service life of the Mosquito compared with 208,012lbs for the service life of the Lancaster.  In addition the Lancaster cost 2.8 times as much and had a crew 3.5 times as large as the Mosquito.

Data from Flying Guns of WWII, Williams/Gustin.


I don't know how the B-29's numbers come out, but it would be interesting to do a comparison between the B-29 and Mosquito B.Mk XVI.  I'm pretty sure these two are the front runners for best bomber of WWII.

[2Slow]

Wow, look at what I started.  I just want a B24 in AH.