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Offline Pei

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Capitalist dilemma, what would you choose?
« on: February 20, 2004, 06:00:14 PM »
Here is the scenario:

Company X holds a virtual monoply in it's market space. It gained that monopoly via means that were no worse or better than any other company: i.e. it more or less out competed the opposition.
It now uses that monopoly to force itself into related markets and dominate those as well, among other abuses.

The choices
A) The company got there more or less fair and square: It should be allowed to keep what it earned.
B) The monopoly should be broken up to encourage competition and hence gain all the benefits of a competitive market (or some other form of intervention should be used to create competition).

B requires goverment intervention in the market, however if A is chosen there is no free market because there is no competition.

Which would you choose and why?

Offline CyranoAH

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2004, 06:18:05 PM »
I'd take over the world and make them pay handsome ransoms in exchange of not letting my faithful legion of killer monkeys wreak havoc among their stockholders.

Either that or option B.

Daniel

Offline Lizking

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2004, 06:21:17 PM »
There are no monopolies anymore.

Offline weaselsan

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2004, 06:35:48 PM »
Their in Violation for "Taft Hartley" They would have to sell off some of the company.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2004, 06:39:51 PM by weaselsan »

Offline vorticon

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2004, 07:06:53 PM »
B...either that or have a mafia kingpin take "special interest"

Offline ra

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2004, 07:09:17 PM »
C) shoot Bill Gates.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2004, 07:13:54 PM »
US judicial system have chosen "A" in Microsoft case...

It's funny you call it "justice".

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2004, 07:17:02 PM »
Did Company X help me buy my political office?  How am I supposed to make a decision without knowing that information?

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2004, 07:19:47 PM »
First of all, name one company, in history, that's maintained an actual monopoly by fair means, EI, without crossing any boundaries not crossed by their competition.

If this magical company can supply a good product, for competative prices, maintaining a well-paid workforce and not wronging anybody(which, again, is impossible, because actual monopolies always end up screwing somebody) then why break up the company? Just for the sake of giving 'the other guy' a shot? Why? Let the 'other guy' be smarter and win fairly.

This question presents an impossible hypothetical. IN reality, government intervention becomes inevitable because monopolies generally don't get there by playing on an level field.

Offline Pei

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2004, 07:59:37 PM »
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
First of all, name one company, in history, that's maintained an actual monopoly by fair means, EI, without crossing any boundaries not crossed by their competition.

If this magical company can supply a good product, for competative prices, maintaining a well-paid workforce and not wronging anybody(which, again, is impossible, because actual monopolies always end up screwing somebody) then why break up the company? Just for the sake of giving 'the other guy' a shot? Why? Let the 'other guy' be smarter and win fairly.

This question presents an impossible hypothetical. IN reality, government intervention becomes inevitable because monopolies generally don't get there by playing on an level field.


As is said Company X is abusing it's monopoly. How did it get there? Through business practices that while they may not be fair, are at least no worse than any other big company.
These situations exist today: Microsoft is an obvious example.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2004, 08:14:08 PM »
microsoft's OS does not hold a monopoly...right off the top of my head i can think of

linux-at least 3 major versions currently in use

os/x

and for server use

novell

unix

freebsd

etc. etc.

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Re: Capitalist dilemma, what would you choose?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2004, 08:50:45 PM »
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Originally posted by Pei
Here is the scenario:

Company X holds a virtual monoply in it's market space. It gained that monopoly via means that were no worse or better than any other company: i.e. it more or less out competed the opposition.
It now uses that monopoly to force itself into related markets and dominate those as well, among other abuses.

The choices
A) The company got there more or less fair and square: It should be allowed to keep what it earned.
B) The monopoly should be broken up to encourage competition and hence gain all the benefits of a competitive market (or some other form of intervention should be used to create competition).

B requires goverment intervention in the market, however if A is chosen there is no free market because there is no competition.

Which would you choose and why?


Microsoft is not a monopoly.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2004, 08:50:55 PM »
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Originally posted by vorticon
microsoft's OS does not hold a monopoly...right off the top of my head i can think of

linux-at least 3 major versions currently in use

os/x

and for server use

novell

unix

freebsd

etc. etc.


So how many different pre installed o/s are sold on home computer systems from department stores, or specialist computer stores (or places like DELL)?

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2004, 09:03:11 PM »
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Originally posted by -tronski-
So how many different pre installed o/s are sold on home computer systems from department stores, or specialist computer stores (or places like DELL)?

 Tronsky


That doesnt define Microsoft as a monopoly. Nobody is preventing manufacturers from placing whatever OS they want on the computers they sell....PLENTY of choices out there for an OS.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2004, 09:58:05 PM »
There maybe plenty of other choices for an o/s, but no-one sells them with home computers.....windows 9x/XP (for better or worse) has been given the market, and there is no way around that...

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