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« on: February 21, 2004, 06:48:45 AM »
"From fridays Globe and Mail coverage
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Diplomats look into cross-border police chase

Officers who pursued truck may be charged in incident that killed Canadian bystander

By GLORIA GALLOWAY
Friday, February 20, 2004 - Page A7



Canadian officials are considering diplomatic action after four American police cruisers chased a stolen pickup through a border station in Niagara Falls and continued their pursuit into the busy tourist town before the truck struck and killed a female bystander.

The U.S. officers involved, members of the force in neighbouring Niagara Falls, N.Y., could be charged as a result of the incident, which occurred just after dark on Wednesday, sources said late yesterday.

Constable Richard Geady of the Niagara Region Police said that if charges are laid in Canada, they "would be a violation of our general orders to continue on."

Friends say it was Laurie Bishop, a 40-year-old mother of two daughters, who was rammed by the fleeing vehicle as she stepped out of a parked car.

The truck kept on going, leaving Ms. Bishop dying in a pool of blood, then collided with a snowbank and a parking meter before coming to a stop.

The driver, who was brandishing a gun, jumped out and fled on foot. He was eventually wrestled to the ground by a constable from the Niagara Region force, but not before taking a shot in the officer's direction.

U.S. police are not permitted to chase suspects into Canada, said Reynald Doiron, a spokesman for the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs.

"Both sides fully recognize the importance of respecting each other's authority and national sovereignty," Mr. Doiron said.

"The government is not taking this incident lightly. We will be carefully reviewing all the facts before determining an appropriate course of action."

Officials from various sources said a diplomatic representation regarding the violation of sovereignty could be made as early as today.

One customs official, who asked not to be identified, said the American police did not radio ahead as is the protocol in cross-border chases, and customs agents were in shock when the truck and four cruisers zoomed through the crossing.

The truck, which had been stolen minutes earlier from a telephone repairman in Niagara Falls, N.Y., crashed through the barrier arm that was closed over the bus lane of the inspection station with two police cars in pursuit. Two other cruisers drove through regular inspection lanes, which were open at the time. One of them stopped as it arrived in Canadian territory; the others roared half a kilometre up the road before rounding a corner and vanishing from the sight of the customs guards.

Constable Geady said the American officers were told to stop a short time later and did so, then returned to the border.

Police Lieutenant Robert Rosati of Niagara Falls, N.Y., said his force would make no comment about the incident until this afternoon, but officials of the two forces apparently met in a closed-door meeting yesterday.

The issue for customs agents "is that any one of us could have got struck by the vehicle or God knows what could have happened. And then the issue extends to obvious disregard for Canadian sovereignty," said Ron Moran, the national president of the Customs and Excise Union.

"The number of jurisdictional infractions that would have been committed by the police officers would be countless. All you have to do is try to imagine if Canadian officers had done this on the U.S. side. The whole border would have been shut down across the country."

Cornelius Cross, 38, a U.S. resident, has been charged with impaired driving causing the death of Ms. Bishop and attempted murder in relation to the shot fired at the police officer.

Ms. Bishop, a former resident of New Jersey, returned to Niagara Falls with her husband and daughters a couple of years ago to be near her mother. She worked at the deli counter in a grocery store.

"She was a wonderful, wonderful girl," said Sue Korz, one of her co-workers.

The incident that claimed her life began on Wednesday afternoon when a woman walked into a police station in nearby Buffalo, N.Y., and said she had been held hostage by her boyfriend for several days after he pulled a gun on her during an argument.

According to police, the boyfriend then hijacked a car, forcing the driver into the trunk, and drove to Niagara Falls, N.Y., where he developed a flat tire.

Leaving the man in the trunk, he fled the scene and came across a telephone worker who was up a pole doing repairs. The worker was forced off the pole at gunpoint and his truck was stolen.

Police from Niagara Falls, N.Y., chased it and continued their pursuit into Canada."


Unfreakingbelievable.  :mad:

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2004, 06:51:55 AM »
"N.Y. police chief defends border chase cops
Last Updated Sat, 21 Feb 2004 0:38:39

ST. CATHARINES, ONT. - A New York police chief defended his officers Friday after Canadian officials criticized a high-speed chase through an Ontario border crossing.

Niagara Falls Chief John Chella said he fully supported the officers' actions, which he said were justified.

"I am fully convinced that this situation warranted such circumstances," said Chella.


FROM FEB. 20, 2004 Woman killed in cross-border car chase

Late Wednesday night, a man from New York state drove a pickup truck through a tollgate on the American side of the Rainbow Bridge.

A U.S. police cruiser followed the truck into Canada, where the driver smashed into parked cars, killing a 40-year-old woman. A man was arrested and faces multiple charges, including impaired driving causing death.

Monte Kwinter, Ontario's Community Safety minister, called the incident "totally inexcusable," saying U.S. officers didn't follow protocol.

"There was supposed to be a protocol when they try and get into Canada to let border officials know. They didn't do that," said Kwinter.

Ron Moran, with Canada Customs, agreed with Kwinter.

"They are supposed to radio in ahead or call in that they have a chase that they believe will cross the border so that the other side can prepare itself," said Moran.

A joint investigation will be held by Niagara Falls New York Police, Niagara Police and Canada Customs."

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/02/21/ny_chase040221

Un****ingbelievable.  :mad:

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2004, 06:53:33 AM »
Very sad about the innocent lady. :(

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2004, 08:09:16 AM »
The story wasn't clear, did they halt the pursuit before the lady was hit?  Do border officials usually let them through when they radio ahead?

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2004, 08:14:36 AM »
"high speek chase" does that mean they were all talking fast?


















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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2004, 08:31:11 AM »
blame/punish Mr Cross - may I suggest the death penalty?
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2004, 09:10:44 AM »
I would blame the cops that folowed.

They crossed into a different coutry.  they had no athorty in cananda.  This is not the same as crossing state lines.

They should throw the book at them.

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I miss read the article..

I thought it said that the cops hit the women while chasing the man.

After re reading it. the only thing the cops should get into trouble for is running the border
« Last Edit: February 21, 2004, 03:36:05 PM by Trell »

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2004, 10:26:40 AM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn

Unfreakingbelievable.  :mad: [/B]


Gives you another reason to hate Ameerika, Thrawn (like you needed some)

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2004, 10:27:10 AM »
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I would blame the cops that folowed.

They crossed into a different coutry.  they had no athorty in cananda.  This is not the same as crossing state lines.

They should throw the book at them.


Of course you would.  It's never the criminal's fault.

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2004, 10:31:19 AM »
BTW, if you read some of the other news stories that Thrawn posted on AGW: http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30622

You'll see the the US cops stopped after a few hundred feet from the border.  They did not go chasing this guy all over Canada.  The accident happened later.  The US cops did not pursue this guy at high speed into the car of the victim.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2004, 10:39:24 AM »
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US cops break through border in high speek chase, Canadian kill


The Cops didn't kill the women the bad guy did. Do you really need to distort the facts to feign outrage?

Originally posted on AGW by Booker

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Diplomats look into cross-border police chase

Officers who pursued truck may be charged in incident that killed Canadian bystander

By GLORIA GALLOWAY
Friday, February 20, 2004 - Page A7



Canadian officials are considering diplomatic action after four American police cruisers chased a stolen pickup through a border station in Niagara Falls and continued their pursuit into the busy tourist town before the truck struck and killed a female bystander.

The U.S. officers involved, members of the force in neighbouring Niagara Falls, N.Y., could be charged as a result of the incident, which occurred just after dark on Wednesday, sources said late yesterday.

Constable Richard Geady of the Niagara Region Police said that if charges are laid in Canada, they "would be a violation of our general orders to continue on."

Friends say it was Laurie Bishop, a 40-year-old mother of two daughters, who was rammed by the fleeing vehicle as she stepped out of a parked car.

The truck kept on going, leaving Ms. Bishop dying in a pool of blood, then collided with a snowbank and a parking meter before coming to a stop.

The driver, who was brandishing a gun, jumped out and fled on foot. He was eventually wrestled to the ground by a constable from the Niagara Region force, but not before taking a shot in the officer's direction.


U.S. police are not permitted to chase suspects into Canada, said Reynald Doiron, a spokesman for the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs.

"Both sides fully recognize the importance of respecting each other's authority and national sovereignty," Mr. Doiron said.

"The government is not taking this incident lightly. We will be carefully reviewing all the facts before determining an appropriate course of action."

Officials from various sources said a diplomatic representation regarding the violation of sovereignty could be made as early as today.

One customs official, who asked not to be identified, said the American police did not radio ahead as is the protocol in cross-border chases, and customs agents were in shock when the truck and four cruisers zoomed through the crossing.

The truck, which had been stolen minutes earlier from a telephone repairman in Niagara Falls, N.Y., crashed through the barrier arm that was closed over the bus lane of the inspection station with two police cars in pursuit. Two other cruisers drove through regular inspection lanes, which were open at the time. One of them stopped as it arrived in Canadian territory; the others roared half a kilometre up the road before rounding a corner and vanishing from the sight of the customs guards.

Constable Geady said the American officers were told to stop a short time later and did so, then returned to the border.

Police Lieutenant Robert Rosati of Niagara Falls, N.Y., said his force would make no comment about the incident until this afternoon, but officials of the two forces apparently met in a closed-door meeting yesterday.

The issue for customs agents "is that any one of us could have got struck by the vehicle or God knows what could have happened. And then the issue extends to obvious disregard for Canadian sovereignty," said Ron Moran, the national president of the Customs and Excise Union.

"The number of jurisdictional infractions that would have been committed by the police officers would be countless. All you have to do is try to imagine if Canadian officers had done this on the U.S. side. The whole border would have been shut down across the country."

Cornelius Cross, 38, a U.S. resident, has been charged with impaired driving causing the death of Ms. Bishop and attempted murder in relation to the shot fired at the police officer.

Ms. Bishop, a former resident of New Jersey, returned to Niagara Falls with her husband and daughters a couple of years ago to be near her mother. She worked at the deli counter in a grocery store.

"She was a wonderful, wonderful girl," said Sue Korz, one of her co-workers.

The incident that claimed her life began on Wednesday afternoon when a woman walked into a police station in nearby Buffalo, N.Y., and said she had been held hostage by her boyfriend for several days after he pulled a gun on her during an argument.

According to police, the boyfriend then hijacked a car, forcing the driver into the trunk, and drove to Niagara Falls, N.Y., where he developed a flat tire.

Leaving the man in the trunk, he fled the scene and came across a telephone worker who was up a pole doing repairs. The worker was forced off the pole at gunpoint and his truck was stolen.

Police from Niagara Falls, N.Y., chased it and continued their pursuit into Canada


You see the bad American cowboy cops didn't kill her. When told to stop they did. They violated the border so what, it happens everyday by citizens from both countries.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2004, 10:44:43 AM »
Dune isn't "hundred feet" a pretty elastic definition of border ?

btw using an argument like : policeman where doing there job is a no go , by trepassing/violating a border they were criminal too.

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2004, 10:45:11 AM »
Well, having read the AGW series I have to ask.

Just how far into Canada did the NY officers top and turn around Judge Thrawn?

How long / how far after the NY officers turned around was the woman struck?

I agree the NY's should be disciplined for not following notification procedures and for blowing through the Customs booth.

I'd need a bit more info before I charge the NY officers with the death of the woman.

Seems to me the criminal actually killed the woman.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2004, 10:50:21 AM »
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Dune isn't "hundred feet" a pretty elastic definition of border ?

btw using an argument like : policeman where doing there job is a no go , by trepassing/violating a border they were criminal too.


Straffo, I never said they didn't violate the border.  They did.  And were wrong in doing so.

However, Thrawn's post would lead you to believe that it was their actions that directly lead to the woman's death.  And it wasn't.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2004, 11:27:33 AM »
Everyone is quick to blame the US cops.





WHAT ABOUT THE DUDE WHO RAN THE LADY OVER?!?!!?  DOESN'T HE RECIEVE ANY BLAME AT ALL?!!?  :mad:
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