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[StSanta]

Dudedog wrote:
 

StSanta, Let me guess... It's only a dweeb move when they shoot YOU down??? Please explain why the angle at which someone shoots at you affects their dweebness. I just don't get it.

No my friend, this isn't the criterion. FWIW, me getting shot down on HO's is rare (unless you count yesterday, which was the worst day in AH ever).

I'll quote myself:

"I will make use of a fictional example with two pilots; one in an aircraft with inferior guns compared to the other. This pilot, however, has a skill rating of 100 points, while the better gun aircraft pilot has one of 50 points.

In a normal 1 v 1 without head ons, the better pilot would win at a rate about 2:1 at least, probably more.

But, in a head on, things change. With two planes with equal guns, the chances are about 50/50, assuming straight head on with little jinking, or very late jinking.

Now, with a superior gun package, the 50 point pilot has negated the skill difference, and actually found himself at an advantage; say 60/40 or 65/35.

And this. my very fine friends and allied opportunists, is why I consider head ons dweebish and skill negating. I accept them as part of the game and sometimes a good way to even the odds (like in the case of many vs 1), but, it is my opinion head ons are made by either pilots with inferior skills, or very dumb pilots with superior skills; why
would the superior pilot want to negate his advantage in skill?"

In other words, there are times when it is a valid move, and there are times when they serve as a skill equalizer - *both* ways.

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 08-24-2000).]

[skippy]

I never whine about HO's unless they are over 60 and wrinkled up.

[eskimo]

I'M A HOOOOOOO MAAAAAAN!

Was base defending in a Zeke today.  Take off, go level, whip a 180... and HO them vulchers!  Even if you both die, you win because they invested 15 min to get there and you only put in 1!  What a blast!

I'M A HOOOOOOO MAAAAAAN!  Da na da na!

I'M A HOOOOOOO MAAAAAAN!  Da na da na!

eskimo

[jedi]

Dweeb tactic.  Relies on gaming the game to a larger extent than most others.  Using this as your "main" or one of your "preferred" tactics is the height of dweebishness.  Works good against other dweebs, but screams out "I'm too lazy to learn real ACM" to most "good" pilots you face.  Good way to maintain a 1/1 K/D or better if that floats your boat and you're "skilled" enough to pick the right plane tho.

Now back to your regularly-scheduled mutual-admiration society and back-slapping meeting  



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[Renfield]

HO-whiners are the dweebs. If you don't like them so much, just don't allow the enemy to approach you like that.

Avoiding an HO when enemy is spotted from a distance is easy. Very easy. Hell, at the worst, just 180/split-S/whatever and run.

If you can't avoid the "terrible and unfair" HO, it is your flying skills that need work. Quit whining.

[Rebel]

Jeeeeeeze guys.  Head on's are a fact of fighter pilot life.

Face it.

They happen.

Also, a dogfight that starts off decent can turn real bad when both sides employ nose to nose turns or vertical moves.  The circle of the fight keeps getting met in the middle, and there's not that many guys who know how to get out of it, and be in a decent position afterwards.

Me?  I take every shot I can get.  If it's a pure chance head on I'll take it.  If I have been fighting the enemy for a while, and he moved to put himself in that position on purpose, I'll shy away.  

Have a nice day  

yo-HO!
yo-HO!

-Reb

[dudedog]

StSanta, you've actually made me see a part of the HO thing in a different light. Not that it changes my opinion whatsoever, I still shoot at the nme from any position. The example you gave was enlightening. However I would consider it rare that a good pilot would use the HO to "equalize or negate" the advantage, since being the better pilot he already has the advantage and knows it.

Note the following two points:

#1 Now for an inferior pilot or being at a disadvantage, to use the HO is in fact a wise move and the fact that people whine so much just proves how effective it is.
No whines allowed for this as it is in fact a reasonable manouver.

#2 Now for a superior pilot or one having an advantage to start with, HO'ing would be dumb, we all know this and I think that this is what most people are saying. BUT... this essentially throws their advantage away and I can't see why people would whine about that.

I think that covers it, unless someone has a direct disagrrement with the above 2 points, why whine?

[Renfield]

 

Originally posted by dudedog:
...unless someone has a direct disagrrement with the above 2 points, why whine?

It is always easier to blame someone else when a whiner gets shot down. Instead of acknowledging being bettered and saluting the enemy, they think they save face and they get to put blame for dying on someone else.

Obviously the other person cheated in some way as the whiner (in their own mind) is the superior pilot and strategist. That is the only way a whiner can get shot down.

Also known as "little man syndrome"