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Offline miko2d

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American military hires guards to protect them!
« on: February 22, 2004, 09:01:25 PM »
American officers are guarded by private mercenaries in Iraq. Why the heck do we pay taxes to maintain our own military?

 Why don't we disband our army's ground troops, which quickly become a politically-correct welfare agency for unwed mothers and contract with south africans to ensure our safety?
 After all, if an american officer would rather be protected by them, why shouldn't the rest of us care to be protected by the best?

The Plain Dealer (Cleveland): IRAQ DIARY

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IRAQ DIARY

02/09/04

Basra, Iraq - At 11:25 a.m. Sunday, the two-vehicle convoy passed a heavy concrete divider that had a single sentence spray-painted on it: WE LOAV U.S. ARMEY. We were in Iraq, right where Saddam Hussein had filled a ditch with crude oil and set it on fire during his ignominious retreat from Kuwait in the first Gulf War. Until you see it, you can't really believe Iraq. It's a dirty, nasty countryside that looks like the tide just went out on the River Styx. The road along the border is lined with bedraggled children, most shoeless and all filthy, pointing at their mouths, begging for scraps, money or anything else they can get. And if you don't give it to them, they might steal it. As we waited in one of the many stops it took to finally cross the border, I watched one child try in vain to steal a chain securing one of the Baghdad-bound prefab trailers that serve as living quarters for coalition workers.

Each time we ground to a stop - as we did often - our South African personal security detachment (PSD, as it's called here), went on high alert.[/i] Conrad Blything drove our heavily armored Toyota Land Cruiser and Braan Protorius - Pottie to his colleagues and charges - rode shotgun. Or more accurately, rode AK-47. Task Force Shield commander Col. Tom O'Donnell, fresh off 10 days in the United States briefing National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice's deputy on the progress of providing security for the Iraqi oil pipeline, and I rode in the back seat. O'Donnell, who'd been chatty as we made the two-hour trip from Kuwait City to the border, grew silent and placed his 45-caliber Colt on the seat between us. He and I were in desert camouflage uniforms, Kevlar helmets and flak jackets. Conrad and Pottie sported black flak jackets, complete with steel armor.  
     
Trailing us in an unarmored Jeep were the rest of the Erinys Co. [/i][A Johannesburg-based security company - miko] team assigned to protect O'Donnell.[/i] Both vehicles were purposely heavy with road grime from a trip Saturday from Baghdad to Kuwait City to pick us up. Bright, shiny cars are a signal that a naive potential victim is in the area. Easy pickings.

We drove to Basra, in the heart of the Romailah oil fields, the richest in Iraq, where crude oil often bubbles in the desert like smelly ponds of ooze, and toured the grounds of the biggest refinery in the country.

At each gate, dozens of armed guards waved, smiled and checked under our Land Cruiser for explosives.

Welcome to Iraq.


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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2004, 09:29:51 PM »
Because the US Army doesn't train people for VIP protection?
Or because it doesn't have enough people with those skills, and since it takes a while to train people they need to hire outsiders? I imagine there are a lot of people in Iraq needing that kind of protection right now.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2004, 09:34:15 PM by Pei »

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2004, 09:34:08 PM »
What's this "we" business?

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2004, 09:40:12 PM »
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What's this "we" business?


Terd in his pocket ;)

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2004, 09:41:49 PM »
Pei: I imagine there are a lot of people in Iraq needing that kind of protection right now.

 True - according to Washington Post (Feb 18), U.S. and coalition military cannot provide adequate protection for foreign contractors and iraqi colaborationists, so dozens of private security companies and thousands of private armed guards  are working there.

 But I did not think US troops needed that kind of protection.

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2004, 09:41:54 PM »
"We" train soldiers, not bodyguards. This really bothers you? Wow.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2004, 09:50:44 PM »
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Pei: I imagine there are a lot of people in Iraq needing that kind of protection right now.

 True - according to Washington Post (Feb 18), U.S. and coalition military cannot provide adequate protection for foreign contractors and iraqi colaborationists, so dozens of private security companies and thousands of private armed guards  are working there.

 But I did not think US troops needed that kind of protection.

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It's probably a case of allocation and public relations:  those coming to Iraq earlier got US Army protection teams (including politcos, diplomats adn aid agency people). As more and more people enter Iraq the US army teams run out  so they have to hire outside, even for US army VIPs. They figure they can't pull US army teams from civilians to assign to US army VIPs for PR reasons. You can see the headline "Aid Agency complains: our US Army security was taken away from us and replaced with foriegn mercenaries".

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2004, 09:57:25 PM »
I'm not really sure why I should be outraged or concerned about this.

I'd rather have my troops doing what they were trained to do and let other personnel do what they do best. "Right man for the job" and all that.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2004, 10:18:25 PM »
I can imagine the conversation.

President Bush: Tommy, we need you to set up security for the oil pipeline in  Iraq. Report to Condi on your progress.

Col. Tom O'Donnell: Iraq! Oh Sh#t! That place is denagerous!

President Bush: Don't worry. We will give you protection.

Col. Tom O'Donnell: OK. But don't give me those sh#tty american troopers. I need people who know how to ride patrol in hostile territory.

President Bush: Of course not! You get south africans with real AK-47s....


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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2004, 11:56:00 PM »
That "security" company is probably an offshoot of Executive Outcomes - basically a merc outfit made up of ex special forces from the Angolan war - good choice in terms of effectiveness - probably a bad choice in terms of political visibility.

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2004, 12:44:44 AM »
Theres a security agency here in the U.S. thats in Iraq.  I went to school with one of these guys.  They use M16a2s, Beretta 9mm, and are used to guard airfields in Iraq.  Most are ex-military.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2004, 05:56:30 AM »
I met an ex French Foreign Legionaire recently. He was telling me that some of his former  comrades are pulling in $10 k a month as security details for contractors. Nice work if you survive it

But if any of you ex mil types out there are looking  for a quick, risky buck. Iraq is the place for it right now.

You can't really expect the US Army to be protecting private contractors.  On the other hand US troops are the targets themselves. You might be safer with mercs around you.

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2004, 08:22:19 AM »
"""where crude oil often bubbles in the desert like smelly ponds of ooze, """

when is his book comming out?

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2004, 08:31:09 AM »
UK diplomats etc are being "guarded" by mercenaries too, There just aren't enough SF to do it all. UK ex SF are earning 12k pounds a month doing BG work, even ex UK Infantry are picking up 5k pounds a month.

Horses for courses,

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2004, 08:57:15 AM »
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I can imagine the conversation.

President Bush: Tommy, we need you to set up security for the oil pipeline in  Iraq. Report to Condi on your progress.

Col. Tom O'Donnell: Iraq! Oh Sh#t! That place is denagerous!

President Bush: Don't worry. We will give you protection.

Col. Tom O'Donnell: OK. But don't give me those sh#tty american troopers. I need people who know how to ride patrol in hostile territory.

President Bush: Of course not! You get south africans with real AK-47s....


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