I need some help....is AH a game or a sim?

[Maverick]

Yeager,

The answer I have was given in a couple of different posts. This is a game. You get unlimited lives and no one really dies (except from apoplexy) in the game.

It would be a SIM if you had to train for 4 to 6 months to learn to fly then had to start flying missions. When you died or were captured your account would be canceled and you could never play again.

I think there is room for improvement but I also wasn't there. I do, however talk to real WW2 veteran pilots who can give me some insight.

I am tired of the BnZ aspect of the MA and that is why I spend more time in TA for FFA than in MA anymore. I LIKE the turn fight game and that is sure death in the MA. This is how it should be I guess. I know of no fighter pilot group other than the Japanese that looked at the turn fight as a primary way of combat. The slashing pass and scoot outa dodge was the REAL LIFE way to do stuff. Don't give the other guy a decent break since when you lose you are gone forever. I am very thankfull this is a game for that purpose!

------------------
 
No Mercy Asked, None Given, Just pass the ammo

[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 08-24-2000).]

[Torque]

SIM!!!!
HT is an Artists, money is the last thing on his mind!!!!

ROOKs suck Ziggy is a dork!!!!!


 

[maik]

What Hajo said   !!!!!!!!!!!!

<S>
Maik

[This message has been edited by maik (edited 08-25-2000).]

[Tailslide]

 Aces High is more of a game than a sim at this point, even more so than Fighter Ace 2 or Warbirds.

 IMHO:

 A simulation has allied and axis countries, flying appropriate types and quantities aircraft for their nation and time period.  

 A simulation recreates organized missions, replaying historic battles on accurate maps.

 A simulation models supply chains and production.

 A simulation has a war with a beginning and an end.

 Aces High is quickly moving from being a "game" to a "sim" with the mission planner, etc.. exciting times are ahead  

   TS

[Seeker]

Can an outsider ask a question here?

What's the scenario activity in AH like?

And Westy.....Bigweek's moved again..

[Yeager]

There has been much progress dealing with scenarios in AH lately.  The recent release of the terrain editor has prompted the experimental creation of many terrains, several of which are undergoing testing.

A CM team was recently establised and is currently fleshing out several different approaches with special events.

I expect a good amount of scenario growth will occur in AH soon.

Yeager

[funked]

Yep Seeker there are 3 sometimes 4 events each week.  Check the Special Events Forums for announcements.

Information on TOD and Snapshot is here: http://www.hpcisp.com/~kieren/jokers.htm

There are also Saturday night "Check Six" events but these are on hold for a week.

There are also Far East events that are very well run.  http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~tamichi/ahevent/jp/top.htm

The Terrain Editor is now bearing fruit and you can expect some multi-frame campaigns starting soon.  

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-25-2000).]

[Tailslide]

 Are there any plans or is there already a historic arena for everyday online play? If so is there some information on the site about how it works?

 (I don't have a subscription yet)

   TS

[Yeager]

No.  There is no 24-7 historical arena.

Instead there will be special event multi-framed historical re-enactments and weekend historical matchups with modified icons and geographically correct terrians.

I believe the reason for this approach is to maintain continuity of the larger community in the main arena while allowing the special events to be attractive to both the larger player base and the lessor numbered  historical afficionados by retaining the status and appeal of special events.

Just my personal take on the subject.

Yeager

[Drex]

AH simulates ACM and the geometry needed by real wwII aces.

and I love simulating ACM while drinking a beer.

So its simutainment.  

Drex

[Minotaur]

Give an engineer the task of creating "The Perfect Simulator".  You will end up with the engineer building the very thing you needed to simulate.  Other wise one must accept varying degrees of accuracy.

AH is a Game that Simulates.

Simulators are meant to be learning tools.  This is so that the actual object being simulated does not get damaged while the student learns how to operate it.

Games can be meant for learning tools.    

But....  

The major difference between a  game and a simulator is that games are primarily meant to be ENJOYED.

LOL    Try it?

------------------
Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"OUCH!!!  It hurts to bite your tongue."
Popeye

[Westy]

 Seeker! Good to see your post. I got your email btw but am recovering at home from a hernia operation so I'll follow up more privately when I can sit at this PC longer.

 Anyway... Scenarios? Slow start for sure but it's very promising. Folks can make thier own terrains (thank Cod for Mage but he was so as the plane set gets fleshed out the sky will be the limit. The weap and fuel load outs eliminate several bones I (and others had) about past AW scenarios. The best news is that HTC recruited a fine group of players to form a "CM" group, not unlike the SMG, but more supported by HTC. Vermillion and the rest are meeting next week evidently with Pyro to get thnings rolling (I hope!).
 Been in a couple of "Check 6" events which are the equivalent of a Warnight and they hold a lot of promise!

  -Westy

[GrinBird]

A game like Quake2 is based on a story with its own logic. If you wanna adjust the gameplay, you can put in a double barreled freeze gun with poison titanium nails - no problem! - Because it fits fine into the story and universe that Quake2 is build on.
 - But that dosent mean that you can put anything in there! A Spitfire eg. would look very strange and distort the whole gameplay and internal logic of the game.

IMHO the difference between a game and a simulation, is that a game can be based on any story. It can be siencefiction pulpfiction, fantasy, D&D You name it!
A simulation is different from other kinds of games because it gotta be related some way to real life. And a historic sim like AH gotta be as closely related to the history as it was as posible. - Else its not a sim but just another game.

I want a simulation on all levels. I want the planes modelled right, I want the battles modelled right. I want to take bases as bases were taken in World War II. - With tanks,fighterbombers and strafing fighters.
I dont want to see Bombers overmodelled to make people fly them more, I dont want to see Bombers (which in real war could hit with 44% of the bombs within a square of 1000 feet) hit a 1*1 yard area with 100 % precision.

But offcourse HTC gotta think about gameplay too. It gotta be fun to play AcesHigh. But I think that its possible to do both: A fun and motivating game´, based as much on historical facts as possible.



------------------
GrinBird