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Offline Nod

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2004, 04:04:49 PM »
(shurgs) I just thought it was a really good movie....but I have to agree though it is just a movie. I do not think it should change your mind and convert you just that it should make you consider the idea of God.....

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2004, 04:48:45 PM »
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Ok,

So how come more catholics have killed in the name of god when it's against the 10 Commandments?

/gross generalization
Personally Catholics seem to be the worst as bad as radical muslims.


sure, but they are more then lightyears away from even been a fraction of Jesus, dont they?
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2004, 06:58:23 PM »
I was and still am speechless. It was all I thought it may be and much much more.

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2004, 08:55:47 PM »
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movie has an emotional effect that book usually doesn't

take d-day, everything you have read about it
then watch SPR, which hits you in the gut more - reading about the thousands being mowed down on the beaches that morning or watching a very small percentage of them actually get killed, even when it is j hollywood ... same with the Passion

true, if you don't believe going in, I do not see this film "saving" you, but if there is a small pile of tinder in ur soul, it could be the flint some need


I lol'd


Monks in vietnam took more pain then that.

Gasoline+a match= burning for your sins.

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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2004, 09:49:28 PM »
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I lol'd


Monks in vietnam took more pain then that.

Gasoline+a match= burning for your sins.


I don't think I read anywhere in this particular thread that you have seen it. See it..then come back with your oh so well informed comments.

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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2004, 10:29:28 PM »
VFJACKAL
 Knowing about what he is talking about would ruin frog posting style.

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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2004, 10:51:49 PM »
oh dont worry i saw the movie.

Quiet humorous.
Plenty of people have suffered through far more, i dont get the big deal

(plus if they wanted to make it realistic at least make jesus a short jew)
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2004, 11:30:25 PM »
Frog - I hope you gain a little bit more perspective as you age.  Not much else I can say... I cant imagine someone, religious or not, would downplay the suffering one goes through when crucified to get a reaction out of others.  Thats just sick.

That said...

I saw it last night - very good movie.  There are some things I was foggy on, and a few questions I have.  In addition, there are a few things that I was raising my eyebrow at - perhaps due to my own lack of knowledge surrounding the events.

Maybe someone here that has done more than simply read through the Bible would be able to assist:

1.)  What was the significance of Satan carrying a baby, albeit an ugly one, during the whiping?

2.)  It appeared as though Satan was only 'visable' to Mary (based on eye contact), is there any basis for this in the book?

3.)  What is the significance of Mary and Mary 'soaking up' his blood in the courtyard following the beating?  What do they intend to do with it?

4.)  The movie portrayed Judas's suicide as the result of a sort of devine torment.  I was always under the impression that he 'punished himself' out of guilt, but it appeared in the film as though he was driven to it.  Which is correct?  Also, are there any mentions in the Bible of the 'damned children' or the animal thing which he encounters post arrest?

5.)  Gibsons portrayal of Pilate was an interesting first.  Conflicted and compassionate: "Do you always punish your prisoners before they have been judged?"  Is this an accurate portrayal or Pilate, or is Gibson taking an artistic liberty?

Overall thoughts:

Pros:  

-Languages used.  This film would not have worked in English.  The use of period and location correct languages was great for atmosphere and the subtitles did not hinder immersion.  

-Acting.  Truely fantastic performances by the lead charectars.  I dont think anyone could have done a better job playing Jesus than Cavielzal (sp?).  The actor that played Pilate (Bulgarian, dont feel like looking up his name again) also did a fantastic job.  The right look, atittude, and very convincing.  Maybe just a result of too many garbage movies and performances, but I didnt find a single flaw in any of the acting.

-Mass Media Appeal.  For those that dont read often or go to church, or even those who are not of the Catholic persuasion, the message of the story can be told in a manner acceptable to most people.  

-Emotional feel.  In short, anyone who exits the theater and claims to be unaffected by the film is either lying or slept through it.  Probably one of the most emotionally 'moving' films Ive yet seen.

Cons:

-What I believe to be artistic liberties taken and little pet peeves.  "Jesus of Nazereth" written in English on the sign above his head took away from the atmosphere.

-Not much else.

Bottom line:

The film is not anti-semetic in the least.  I have trouble accepting that anyone could think so if they actually saw the movie.  The messege is not one of hate or retribution, but one of love for your fellow man.

A fine line, for sure, but I thought Gibson did a fantastic job overall and if the film does not clean up at the Ocsars Id be shocked.

Go see it - believer or not.

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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2004, 12:22:39 AM »
I like how the crow pecked out the guys eye. What a great god, question him and you get punished. woot!

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« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2004, 12:35:40 AM »
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...e, but I thought Gibson did a fantastic job overall and if the film does not clean up at the Ocsars Id be shocked..


If it does I'll be shocked

you want Hollyweird to acknowledge a Christian movie about that faiths cornerstone of its belief system written and directed by a devout Christian? a movie no one in hollyweird would touch with a ten foot pole? I'd be very surprised if it gets anything but a casual mention from that group
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« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2004, 12:47:53 AM »
It wasnt that good, this is comming from a non christian. Alot of the movie assumed you had alot of previous knowledge of the events. For someone that dosnt know the story it isnt that great of a film.

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« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2004, 01:35:03 AM »
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"I like how the crow pecked out the guys eye. What a great god, question him and you get punished. woot!"

He is a "great" God.  And your karma is gonna suck.   You're already a Liberal-Leftist, so you are well on your way...

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« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2004, 08:53:57 AM »
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1.)  What was the significance of Satan carrying a baby, albeit an ugly one, during the whiping?

2.)  It appeared as though Satan was only 'visable' to Mary (based on eye contact), is there any basis for this in the book?

3.)  What is the significance of Mary and Mary 'soaking up' his blood in the courtyard following the beating?  What do they intend to do with it?

4.)  The movie portrayed Judas's suicide as the result of a sort of devine torment.  I was always under the impression that he 'punished himself' out of guilt, but it appeared in the film as though he was driven to it.  Which is correct?  Also, are there any mentions in the Bible of the 'damned children' or the animal thing which he encounters post arrest?

5.)  Gibsons portrayal of Pilate was an interesting first.  Conflicted and compassionate: "Do you always punish your prisoners before they have been judged?"  Is this an accurate portrayal or Pilate, or is Gibson taking an artistic liberty?

 


1. I got the impression that the  baby ment that evil can and will come in teh most innocent of forms.

2. I think it was just a chance that they were looking at each other

4.I think it was guilt and he was just going slightly mad, because the kids wern't really there, they just dissapered all of the sudden.

5. Thats the way i have always conceved of pilot he was a guy that was stuck between a rock and a hard place and thats why he didn't make the decision and get himself in more trouble he washed his hands of the hole thing.


These are just what i got out of it they may be wrong but it's just what i got.

I have no idea about number three:confused:

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« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2004, 09:40:44 AM »
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If it does I'll be shocked

you want Hollyweird to acknowledge a Christian movie about that faiths cornerstone of its belief system written and directed by a devout Christian? a movie no one in hollyweird would touch with a ten foot pole? I'd be very surprised if it gets anything but a casual mention from that group


I think they'd be faced with a Catch-22 in this case.

If they dont acknowledge it, I think they run the risk of being labeled anti-Christian or anti-Gibson.

Lets face it, best movie of 2004 so far - and although its only February - I see nothing on the horizon save Troy to give it a run.

Frog - the movie deals with a very specific period of time - the last 12 hours of Jesus's life.  It is assumed that the audience has, at least, a general understanding of the events that transpired beforehand.

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« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2004, 11:10:39 AM »
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It wasnt that good, this is comming from a non christian. Alot of the movie assumed you had alot of previous knowledge of the events. For someone that dosnt know the story it isnt that great of a film.


so you have no clue what the movie is about? Well that's not so far fetched I guesss since you seem to have no clue about a lot of other things
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