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« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2004, 09:24:32 AM »
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Here's a generalization, and it's only my impression, I find it truly odd that Christians dwell on hate, violence, and torture more than they do love and compasion.

When something happens regarding Christians... it's about how much they are intolerant of someone else... for example gays wanting to marriage... abortion... and not so longer along interacial marriage...

This movie is another good example... the focus is upon pain and suffering...rather than the redeeming qualities and effort it is to love someone even when they are mean and malisious and have very little virtues to love... gee like so many Christians... no matter how much they hate... I still find room to love them.

And what's so profoundly interesting is the basic concept of the Christ god....

God so loved the world that he gave up his only son...

really did he? Is Jesus dead? Was Jesus capable of dieing?
What did god really lose?

nothing... if Jesus rose from the dead he lost nothing.
There was no sacrify...

The whole christian premise is that we should feel grateful to Jesus for suffering for our sins or feel quilty because he suffered.

Yet Jesus/god risked nothing... it's like gambling with someone elses money...

the whole guilt trip is bogus...
the Da Vinci Code was interesting... not factually acurate in many cases but the concepts interesting...

Jesus was a Jew he died in his 30s, he was nearly an old man... not a young 20 something... he should have been married by time he was 17 years old... perhaps he was... or perhaps he was gay.... after all he hung out with 12 men.


I am a Catholic.  Not devout, but I believe.  I was once skeptical and thought of the Bible as a 'fairy tail' and downplayed religion as mind control.

My turning point was when I actually sought out answers for my questions.  I wanted to prove that the Bible was bogus, etc, etc, etc.  I was not able to do so, and in fact, I found myself pretty convinced of the validity of the Bible and the evnts portrayed within.

Your comment regarding Jesus's suffering and Gods 'loss' is an interesting take, but in my mind, resurected or not, thats an aweful lot of suffering to have to watch your son go through.  Excessive to say the least.

The message I got out of the movie was one of love.  The scourging and crusifixion were horrible events, but they were not doen out of hate, but love.  God 'allowed' them to happen so that his son's suffering would cleanse our sins.

Now - Im not a Bible thumper, I dont peddle of the book, nor do I look down upon non-Catholics, but I do encourage them to do research on their own to determine what they, themselves, determine to be 'truth.'

The message of the film, which I spoke on above, is the message that Christianity is supposed to portray - forgiveness, love thy enemy, etc, etc, etc.  I do not feel hatred for Jews for their actions, nor the Romans, nor anyone else.  I feel an unrepayable debt of gratitude for what one man went through for me because I am woefully undeserving of it.

Of course their are hypocrits in all religions - and I am one of them when my stance on terrorism is concerned - but those Catholics who harbor hate, seek vengence, and vow not to forgive the wrong doings of others are acting in direct opposition to the teachings in the Bible that are portrayed in the film.

PS:  To the other guy - yes Hollywood is a business, and yes profit is the firts priority, but I dont think you can claim with a clear conscience that Gibson's sole reason for making the film was for financial gain.  Thats kinda of sick.

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« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2004, 10:03:38 AM »
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You can be mature and still be a bigot.
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Sorry Funked...seen this before....immature and without purpose....nothing uncommon in this world.

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« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2004, 10:04:42 AM »
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"This is a two-hour-and-six-minute snuff movie—The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre—that thinks it's an act of faith."


LOL... http://www.slate.com/id/2096025/


Romans 5
8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
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« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2004, 10:23:52 AM »
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I was raised as a Baptist...but you're right. Seeing this movie won't do me any good.

I've read the Gospels. I haven't seen the movie and the more I read about it, the less inclined I am to see it. Two hours of brutality isn't my thing.

Rather reminds of Schindler's List. Excellent movie, well crafted and absolutely painful to watch. I've never seen it again after the first time and have no desire to do so. Same goes for The Passion. I know how it ends.


Raised as a Baptist? What happened in your life to now mock God?

Just curious:)

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« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2004, 11:24:52 AM »
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My turning point was when I actually sought out answers for my questions.  I wanted to prove that the Bible was bogus, etc, etc, etc.  I was not able to do so, and in fact, I found myself pretty convinced of the validity of the Bible and the evnts portrayed within.


I spent 8 years in Catholic school. indoctrinated into Catholicism... something which even as a child just didnt' make sense.

In my 20s I searched for understanding...

Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?
"Because the wages of sin are death."
That's why!

And in the old testiment animals were sacrificed to god to cleans transgressors of their sins.

Eh?

for example... if I kick the watermelon out of my next door neighbor, even if I truly repent and am sorry for my "sin", that don't cut it... I have to kill a goat. I'm talking about the old testiment... you see God's law has never changed... something has to die if there's been a sin... always.

Jesus is the ultimate death. "God so loved the world he gave his only son" blah blah blah.

Now Jesus came a long and died for our sins... we still have to repent and be sorry... but we don't have to kill goats.

Really... want did Jesus do? Saved he the Animals!

Because if we personally don't accept Jesus as our lord and savior... we'll doesn't matter how many goats we kill, we're going to burn in the white hot fires of hell and Satan - who is almost just as powerful as god  because he can make us do evil things - will stick red hot pokers... well.. you know up our butts for eternity.

Yeah that all makes sense.

Freedom of choice.... believe in this theology because if you don't you're going to suffer forever and FOREVER!

Wow with that kind of arguement who would chose anything else.

By the way... believers in this religion there will be no premarital sex, no sex for pleasure... even though our entire body is designed for reproduction...there will be no nudity, no suggestive dancing or attire, there's no meat on fridays, there's no masturbation, no cussing, no cheating, no work on Sundays... even though the sabbath really starts sun down on Friday and continues until Sun down on Saturday... and there will be decorating of Christmas trees even though this is a pagan ritual adopted by Christians... and December 25th is not the birth of Christ according to the Orthodox Christian church, which celebrates his birthday on January 7th

Christmas was moved to December 25th to coincide with a pagan holiday. This got more pagans to celebrate Jesus' birthday. This move was one of the reasons why the church split in 1043.

The Roman god Mithras was born of the Sun God and a virgin mother, called "the Mother of God", on December 25th. Oh wow...sounds like the Virgin Mary.

Easter egg hunts come from ritutals celebrating the goddess Ostara, another god of fertility, and each egg represents a lover your child will have.

Christianity is an amalgamation of many pagan religions that existed during the time of its inception. It's true influence comes from the death and destruction that it's powerful benifactor the Roman empire under the auspicious of Constantine was able to coerce and cajour upon his subjects. Great example of mass mind control.

http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/ChristianOrigins/PaganChrists.html

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« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2004, 01:23:17 PM »
think one has to find his/her Divine in his/her heart, not on the internet..

Christ died to show there is no death, that you continue on and are held accountable for your thoughts and deeds - now & later - no getting away from karma
Though he had the power to rescue himself, walked on water, raised the dead, healed the sick/blind, etc.. he allowed himself to be captured, tortured and kill to show mankind that this life is not the end all
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« Reply #66 on: March 03, 2004, 02:30:48 PM »
Dont forget Apollo nakhui. Sun god of the greeks, always depicted as a shepard and young man. The romans did what they always do with religions. They mixed the orginal christian cult with all the others of the time in a high powered blender untill you got the bible and the roman catholic church.

Its hard to profess a faith in the christian religion knowing its true history. Of course the cult of the christians is set up to follow the teachings of the neoplatonic philosopher Augustine, and denying this world and your sences is its base. So dont trust science, dont trust your instinct, deny your body and a higher plane of exsistance is your reward.
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