Fetus protection laws

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Kieran
Great, so if my kids cause me too much trouble it is my right to bestow death upon them later?

I wouldn't recommend it.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Eagler, what is the story behind that picture? Did the kid make it?

Samuel Armas  Story/Update

[Hortlund]

O M G

That is truly truly amazing.

Thanks for that link Eagler.

[ra]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
IMO, the life of the child is the mother's to bestow. It's her right to choose and no one else.

Should the mother have the right to carry a fetus to 6 months then sell it to a cosmetic surgeon for parts?

[-dead-]

Originally posted by Kieran
Great, so if my kids cause me too much trouble it is my right to bestow death upon them later?

According to Deuteronomy 21, yes.

[Kieran]

Aw Dead, you know I was waiting for that one.

Seriously though Sand, I know that's a tough question to answer directly. The only answer you can give me sounds too much like we allow mothers the right to murder their own children. We couldn't say that out loud, could we?

[VFJACKAL]

Dems. and Reps. alike...always looking to make something that is very important all about politics and the other side looking for an edge. Something like this just amazes me that EACH side even whispers "They're just playing politics"

None the less.....I would say  , just to repeat something already posted , that until it is determined when life begins , be it conception....6 weeks...3 months..6 months...then this is sticky.

Personally I believe life begins at conception....And Im for the most part pro choice. Which is really for my religion not a good stance. But , take the following senario...

Woman is raped and becomes pregnant..shouldn't she have the right to having an abortion because of the circumstances surrounding how she got pregnant? Or , woman decides to keep it..then all is fine as well. If a woman is in danger of dieing or serious health issues..then that could be grounds. But that is basically the only reasons for me.

I'm FIRMLY against abortion being used as..."I got knocked up and don't want to have the child because I was STUPID and didn't use protection" ie Birth Control. There are viable options for that route such as adoption. Having an abortion cause you don't want to have the kid because your boyfriend or whatever is saying NO WAY..nope..that don't cut it. Should have thought about that before those legs flew open or you gave into the pressure of the "I love you really B.S."

Now..I in my thinking that life begins at conception think that if a woman is murdered and the fetus goes to..then that IS 2 murders. IMO They should be tried for both. In the state I live it it should be considered CAPITAL MURDER and punishable by the death penalty. This is just my opinion. Murder is Murder...And if there is a life within a life...then I definatly think it is 2 counts...no way around that for me.

[59bassman]

All life is special and not ours as man to terminate.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Kieran
Aw Dead, you know I was waiting for that one.

Seriously though Sand, I know that's a tough question to answer directly. The only answer you can give me sounds too much like we allow mothers the right to murder their own children. We couldn't say that out loud, could we?

The line has to be drawn somewhere. Until the fetus is born, it is a parasite. The host has all the rights, IMHO.

I don't like the idea of having the government ban abortions and then turn around and come up with all sorts of excemptions and exclusions to cover the pregnancies that are a result of some other criminal act. Bottom line... the pregnancy is unwanted. Even as the result of a rape, the fetus is an innocent. Certainly, it is a hard choice legal or not, but I have absolutely no desire to take the decision away from the women.

Women harm, maim or kill fetuses all the time even without abortions. Drugs, alcohol, poor health habits... you name it.


Anyway... I'm not pro-abortion. I'm pro-choice. I want the people most affected by their decisions to be the ones making their decisions, not some government elected official(s) or appointee.

[NUKE]

Here is a question for you guys:

What would happen to you if you found a California Condor's nest with eggs and smashed the eggs?

[Kieran]

It's probably a good thing to be legal in some cases, but in practice it's pretty much a copout to responsibility. And even the most jaded of people cannot reconcile calling the baby a fetus in one situation and a baby in another, where the only difference is the desire to have the baby or not. That's cold-blooded as it gets.

[Thrawn]

Eagler, unfortunately,  is either totally ignorant regarding circumstances of that picture or a liar.

The events portray as thye are in the text accompanying the photo, are also complete fabrications.  But why let facts get in the way of trying to eliciate a manipulative emotional reponse in order to futher your agenda.


http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Eagler, unfortunately,  is either totally ignorant regarding circumstances of that picture or a liar.

The events portray as thye are in the text accompanying the photo, are also complete fabrications.  But why let facts get in the way of trying to eliciate a manipulative emotional reponse in order to futher your agenda.


http://www.snopes.com/photos/thehand.asp

liar/ignorant? please blow it out ur dumbarse crack ahole
I was just pointing out the development of a 21 week old "fetus" that you and other baby murderers don't have a problem killing everyday

I never stated the story was true or false, i provided a link i found in a 2sec search. the picture is real and so is the legalized murder of its brothers & sisters

though morons such as yourself do provide a valid argument for the act, if we could just but see into its future first...

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The line has to be drawn somewhere. Until the fetus is born, it is a parasite. The host has all the rights, IMHO.

WOW! bout as ignorant as it gets ... but says alot about todays mindset
"humble opinion"?
sounds pretty conceded to me..
you continue to be a parasite post birth ... "IMHO"

[LAWCobra]

One of my problems with abortion is.
What rights do the fathers have in this process?
From what I see none.
And I think that Is wrong.