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Offline GtoRA2

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Do you smoke? Are you a tree hugger?
« on: February 27, 2004, 01:55:20 PM »
If you are I bet you are a hypocrite and should have to eat the cigarette butts you throw everywhere!!


I have a tree huggin liberal budy who smokes like a train, and gues where his butts go? Yeah not in the garbage..


I see it all the time too.

Smokers suck.

They should be forced to take a 15% pay cut. Why? Cause they take 15,000 ****ing brakes a day to feed their stupid adiction!


GRRRRR

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2004, 02:23:00 PM »
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They should be forced to take a 15% pay cut. Why? Cause they take 15,000 ****ing brakes a day to feed their stupid adiction!


GRRRRR


Yeah, and you get paid for posting on HTC forum :D

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2004, 02:24:42 PM »
SHHHHHHH

Smokers get to do both!!

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2004, 02:28:06 PM »
Yes, no, and no.  Perhaps you should start smoking, sounds like you need something to relax with.

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2004, 02:32:10 PM »
LOL
 No, my dad was a 4 pack a day guy. I know just how nasty it is.


 I do not need to relax man!!! NO relaxing needed here!

 I would rather lose a nut then smoke.

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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2004, 02:37:25 PM »
betta plug them ears then cause I see smoke coming out of them, or is that steam...

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2004, 02:44:15 PM »
well I've taken a 5 min smoke break every hour on the hour for my whole 15 year career.  I've had about 6 drafting jobs durring that career and in all but 2 of them I was the most productive draftsman by an order of magnitude.  ALL of my bosses have noticed this and told me to go smoke when ever I feel the urge :D

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2004, 02:46:26 PM »
GtoRA2: They should be forced to take a 15% pay cut. Why? Cause they take 15,000 ****ing brakes a day to feed their stupid adiction!

 Any employer should be free to offer lower salary to a smoker. Probably any employer is free to do so except in union shops.

 Anyway, the smokers contribute equally towards social security and healthcare even though they are sure to live much less and die quickly and inexpensively right around their retirement age.

 With social security/healthcare insolvency pending, we should not discourage smoking too hard.

 miko

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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2004, 02:54:34 PM »
Im a tree hugger but not a smoker anymore so i guess im :aok  then.

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2004, 03:11:54 PM »
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GtoRA2: They should be forced to take a 15% pay cut. Why? Cause they take 15,000 ****ing brakes a day to feed their stupid adiction!

 Any employer should be free to offer lower salary to a smoker. Probably any employer is free to do so except in union shops.

 Anyway, the smokers contribute equally towards social security and healthcare even though they are sure to live much less and die quickly and inexpensively right around their retirement age.

 With social security/healthcare insolvency pending, we should not discourage smoking too hard.

 miko


Is there any data on whether smokers' contribution to social security and medicaid/medicare is net positive?  Do their contributions cover their share of the benefits handed out?

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2004, 03:27:24 PM »
right on GTO...

I saw another guy smoking on the ski lift today.. tossed his butt too..      friggin stunninghunks

(where's my super-soaker...?.. the tree-huggers took my pellet gun away..)
« Last Edit: February 27, 2004, 03:32:39 PM by Wlfgng »

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2004, 03:31:46 PM »
Tarmac: Is there any data on whether smokers' contribution to social security and medicaid/medicare is net positive?  Do their contributions cover their share of the benefits handed out?

 Yes, there were studies done and tobacco companies even used them in other countries, but not in US. They decided it would not be good for their image to advertise how efficiently they are killing americans but I believe they demonstrated to the government of Checholsovakia or Hungary few years ago exactly how much they save on healthcare/pension expenses. It would be worse for US where life expectancy is greater and expensive healthcare options more available.

 Smokers tend to drop dead just around retirement age from quick and relatively inexpensive diseases like cancer.
 They do not spend years in a hospital on expensive life-support drawing pension benefits.

 Of course it may change. The anti-cancer treatments are getting better at keeping people alive and have fewer deadly side effects than they used to.

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2004, 03:41:16 PM »
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Anyway, the smokers contribute equally towards social security and healthcare even though they are sure to live much less and die quickly and inexpensively right around their retirement age.


that would be true if the years smoking took off your age came at the end.  so that you cruise along with normal health, the same as the non-smokers, until one day you just kick over dead a few years too early from smoking.

unfortunately thats not the way it works.  smoking doesn't steal years off the end of your life, it steals them from your prime, you age faster and go through just as long of a frail, sick, unproductive time as non-smokers.  you just start falling apart at a younger age, and all your medicare expenes for your hospitalisation and your little O2 bottle you're dragging around come out of the same social security fund.


even so, singling people out because the smoke is stupid.  next they'll be nosing into all parts of your life to decide your pay/tax level.  whats your colesteral count? how many minutes did you exercise today?  vitamin police, did you take your pills today?

we've already got enough gov't nannying going on.  back in the old book 1984 we where warned about 'big brother',  all the while the real threat was 'big mother'

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2004, 03:45:18 PM »
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even so, singling people out because the smoke is stupid.  next they'll be nosing into all parts of your life to decide your pay/tax level.  whats your colesteral count? how many minutes did you exercise today?  vitamin police, did you take your pills today?

we've already got enough gov't nannying going on.  back in the old book 1984 we where warned about 'big brother',  all the while the real threat was 'big mother'


That's exactly why the government shouldn't be involved in health care at all.   :)

If I want to pay for health care that's limited to nonsmokers, I should be able to - assuming someone is willing to provide it.  If I want to pay for health care for smokers, I should be able to do that too - but by the same token, I should be able to opt out of that health care as well.  If the government is doing it, there's no option to decline the "coverage."

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2004, 03:53:12 PM »
capt. apathy: that would be true if the years smoking took off your age came at the end.

 But it does. In general, once a smoker experience serious problems related to smoking, he/she goes down fast. I do not have data on hand but it is a fact. Smokers live shotrer and cost less to die than non-smokers.

all your medicare expenes for your hospitalisation and your little O2 bottle you're dragging around come out of the same social security fund

 Everyone dies and a healthy person who dies because his/her organs wear off may take years to die - all the time being hooked up to expensive life-support.

 miko