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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2001, 05:17:00 PM »
Yah know, I'm kinda saddened by this strident "phoney" nonsense. The premise for the movie from the start was not a docu-drama, nor was it 'Stephen Spielburg makes his obligatory War Movie'. When we go see those kinds of flicks we already have pre-concieved ideas of what we will see, how it will be presented.

THIS WAS A DISNEY FILM... you expected heads flying off and streets running red with blood? C'mon!

I took my daughter to see it.. she asked me questions for 4 hours after the film. Intelligent Questions, praise the lord...It was a winner from my perspective. She also asked 4 hours of questions after SPR... and the questions were much the same. I'll have to ask her if the lack of bloody streets or major body parts drizziling down after shell blasts made any diffrence to her. I suspect not.

For the rest of us.. we know the diffrence between Hollywood and History. At least we SHOULD... for those of you uncertain; we do the hollywood rendition every night in AH.

Folks; maybe the Last Great Thing This Country Ever Did or Ever Will Do happened back then. So WHY NOT wrap it inna flag, and show the kiddies what evil bastids our parents (or grandparents) had to deal with back then? enh? Like it or not... it's a story... and a good one! The Hero's that day ran 10 deep on the ground and in the air... the TRUE stories are all but unbelivable.. you grouse because they dummed it down??

I KNOW these facts.. I don't need to see all their gory deaths or the moments of their ulitimate sacrafices in living color to make me BELIEVE.. I already DO!

See it for what it is. As somebody else mentioned, I don't need to see maimed and decapitated sailors to add 'the touch of true realisim' to the scene of the US Navy's Pacific Fleet in flames and ruin, sailors floundering helplessly in the water as the Vals and Zekes made pass after pass on the swimmers.. I would have shed no more or less tears for it.

I suspect all these guys barking the realisim tree own a Mitsubishi... and feel guilty. (you should)

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« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2001, 05:36:00 PM »
Steven and Hangtime, IMHO well said.  It is disturbing to me to see the way this movie is being picked apart by those concerned.  I went to see it Saturday night.  I went after a friend told me about the historical inaccuracies and substitutes used in the movie.  But the difference is, I went and looked from unbiased eyes, not eyes that have spent the better portion of his life restoring Warbirds.  What I saw was a film that IMO was meant to be able to offer something to include all, to spark enough interest that maybe, just maybe, more questions might be asked.  If just a few young people are intrigued enough to learn more about the past of this country, then I am all for it.  Regardless of the love triangle or not, (was love not around in WW2) and the lack of people crawling through their own entrails, I feel the movie was and should have been sanitised so that the younger generation can look at it without having to relive those moments as dreams of horror.  As my father often told me, "I did not goto war for glory, I went so you would never have to."  That is enough for me.  I have seen SPR, and feel that that film told a story in it's way, PH did in it's way too.  The debate here should not be about which is better, instead, IMO, it should be about lessons learned, lives lost, and cherished memories of a kinder, more honorable, and integrity filled time.
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« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2001, 05:42:00 PM »
As my father often told me, "I did not go to war for glory, I went so you would never have to."

Yes, indeed. I heard that as well.

IMO, it is that broadly held attitude that makes them our (US) "Greatest Generation".

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« Reply #63 on: May 29, 2001, 05:42:00 PM »
heeheee.. let me say what the biggest inaccuracy was in the whole movie..And I could care less..

The bombs, and their fuzes. You talk about stretching it? Do you think that bomb's paint would look that good much less not look a little distorted after passing through several inches of steel..twice? Or how about the fins beign intact? it lays there and the fuze stopps spinning as if it is motorized? please... My job has been for the past 13 years a munitons troop in the Tactical Air Command and then Air Combat command..I assure you that little piece was inaccurate..and again I will say it...who cares.

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« Reply #64 on: May 29, 2001, 05:52:00 PM »
(flogging the dead horse, I know) .. just curious.. what KEY facts about the attack on Pearl Harbor were misrepresented or completely false?

The japanese planning for MONTHS this attack in detail while knowing with CERTAINTY that they would strike at Pearl?

The Presidents desire to assist the British, even at the cost of stripping the Pac Fleet of assets? Even AFTER Pearl? The general apathy in America about the already devestating war in Europe? The Eagle Squadron's existence?

Akroyds portrayal of the mindset of the intelligence community? The CNI's refusal to accept their appraisal?

Admiral Kimmels unease with his orders and the Pentagons blind eye to local intelligence assesments?

The use of civilian housing, air tour services and indigent japanese for intelligence purposes by the IJN?

The force deployments and bunching of A/C to prevent sabotage?

The Japanese raid structure?? It's low level approach? The strafing? The attacks on obvious civilians and the Hospital?

The helplessness and rage of the survivors when faced with the carnage? The slowly dying crew of the Arizona, trapped 40 feet under water?

Yah, The Doolittle Raid part was pretty piss poor.. here they diverged a mite too much for my taste.. the Flack over Japan (very light when any was seen at all).. the Formation Bombing.. (there was none) the 'ditching' in china (almost all crews bailed.. at night) etc; leaves us 'in the know' types a little cool.. but still, Doolittle WAS an old man, his troops loved him, he trained them from the cockpit and he suffered horribly till he knew their fates and he refused to stay behind and after it all, deferred his honors to those that flew with him.

Really.. tell us.. where does this films HISTORICAL points wander far from the truth?

Or is it just the sappy love story hook for the masses that ticks yah off?

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« Reply #65 on: May 29, 2001, 06:17:00 PM »
Thanks for the posts guys..I will go see it and take the wife and kids(think 8 and 9 are too young?)

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« Reply #66 on: May 29, 2001, 08:16:00 PM »
if you dont mind the vulgarity, not the F word, but about everything else is used. No nudity but a scene where sex is definately implied. I wont take my kids, but for other parents it will be up to them.

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« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2001, 08:54:00 PM »
 
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I suspect all these guys barking the realisim tree own a Mitsubishi... and feel guilty. (you should)

Ridiculous.

I understand now why you liked the movie.

It was made for idiots, and you sir are in the target demographic.

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« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2001, 09:18:00 PM »
Yup.

'n proud of it too.   That reminds me.. I gotta go re-wire my bumpers and retie the passenger door closed on my Canadian made Jeep.

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« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2001, 06:34:00 PM »
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your making too much of the john maclain thing. I havent seen the movie yet but I know how long these people put into them. 100000s of hours. And if one guy took some relief from the monotony and put a previos films charecter in as a kind of cookie...it is prepostorous for you to stretch this to mean that he didnt care for the subject matter. It is a movie. Is AH laughable for the beer on the hill or the pizza or peoples names in secret places  in cockpits. does that make AH disrespectful to the dead at pearl harbour?
No it does not.