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whels1

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« on: May 25, 2001, 06:12:00 PM »
Awsome move, u P40 guys gona love it  
somewhat a love story but well worth going
to see i give it 4 out of 5 Torpedos.

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2001, 06:20:00 PM »
I thought it sucked.  Another Hollywood WW2 for Dummies™ movie with a cheesy love story thrown in.  And those dogfights, c'mon!  Like a P-40 can drag 3 zekes 100 yards behind him for 5 minutes and NOT get shot down.  The only realistic fight in there was the one where that guy got vulched taking off.

The only good thing about it was the special effects where the battleships were sinking, but even there you could see some scenes where there were some 1970-era guided missle frigates in the picture and even one scene with a couple CVN's posing as the Japanese fleet.  

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2001, 07:58:00 PM »
I personally thought it was a good movie.  I will probably go and see it again.  I got out of it exactly what I thought I would.  I went in just wanting to see a movie with planes, explosions, and plenty of bombs.  That's exactly what I saw.  I would be willing to bet that I would have thought it was much better if I was ignorant of the inaccuracies of the movie (remind me to blame my mom for fostering my love of reading about World War 2  ).  I would also be willing to bet that the only people who care about the P-40 fighting with the Zekes and the scenes where you can see some modern FFG's and CG's in the background.

I will recommend all my students go and see it.  Why?  Well, I read in another Forum I visit recently a viewpoint that made me see the movie a lot differently.  If even just one of my 170 students interest is sparked and instills in them to read about what actually happened December 7, 1941, then the movie was well worth the millions of dollars they spent on it, IMO.

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2001, 10:16:00 PM »
If you want your students to know what really happened, have them rent the DVD of Tora!Tora!Tora!

<prays for a director of the quality of Stephen Spielberg, John Frakenheimer or Stanley Kramer to appear and make a real flipping war movie>


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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2001, 11:12:00 PM »
Those dogfights are only the best WWII dogfights ever put into a movie sancho.  Yeah, there was some far fetched BS in there and a love story, but these movies have to please the whole audience, including the wives.

I thought it was a good movie, long at times, almost 3 hours. I especially liked the RAF part of it. The spitfires storming through the LW bomber formation, then fighting the 109's. When Aflecks spit was going in was especially realistic to me. The panic. Him surviving the auger was a weeee-bit far fetched.   The spits tracers are EXACTLY like aces high.

All in all, very entertaining. If you like seeing stuff get blown up, this is for you.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2001, 11:19:00 PM »
BTW, did you guys notice when they showed the japanese pilot in his cockpit, it was actually a zeke, or a close reproduction.

I noticed the frigates a few weeks ago in time magazine. Thats the only very obvious out of period hardware, other than the carriers. Wonder where they shot that scene? They were obviously in mothballs somewhere.

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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2001, 12:47:00 AM »
well hb is from some go f=d damn room.s grom ala.. tend to yourfamilly hb doesnt have any family.

What ever.....good topic.....ben smack barley passed.

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2001, 12:50:00 AM »
wh.....e 5 of 5 torpdels desont havt

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2001, 12:58:00 AM »
Gotta say, sometimes the nit picking around here really cracks me up.  I'm not flamin', so don't get me wrong.  Let me put it in perspective a bit.  Here is a film that, bottom line, was made to make money.  Realize that, and maybe it makes it a bit easier to swallow a few inaccuracies here and there.  Another perspective "item"... I took my fiance' with me to see it, figuring that it should work for both of us... for me the anticipated exciting war re-creation footage, and for her a good chick flick love story woven in.  Not surprisingly, there were several moments that brought her, and I for that matter, to tears.  What was surprising, as she stated to me after we left the theater, was that many of the tearful moments for her were not just the love story parts, but the human tragedy of the attack and how we could have allowed ourselves, through arrogance, ignorance, whatever, to have been so easily attacked.  More "choked up" moments came during some of the realizations as to the courage, dedication, and sacrifice it took to overcome the initial devastating blow dealt to us.  To me, if this movie reminds people what has been given up for our right to make, watch, and criticize a movie like this, than that movie was significant.  The bonus for us was that along with these feelings, we both were able to enjoy what I thought was a well made movie, whose minor flaws I was willing to over look.  I plan to take my youngest son, 15 yrs. old, as soon as I can.  I originally intended to take him to see the "cool war stuff", as he is somewhat of an Aces High junkie himself.  Now, however, I see it as an opportunity to try to impress upon him how significant the sacrifices, etc. were, yet in a way that he will find exciting and captivating, as no simple history book could do.  Just a little food for thought.  

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2001, 01:54:00 AM »
Who's this lava guy, and what's he trying to say?

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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2001, 02:09:00 AM »
 
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Who's this lava guy, and what's he trying to say?

He must have that $14 movie popcorm stuck in his teeth  



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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2001, 08:03:00 AM »
 
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BTW, did you guys notice when they showed the japanese pilot in his cockpit, it was actually a zeke, or a close reproduction.

They were obviously in mothballs somewhere.

Are you talking mothballs for the planes hblair?  The Airshow team Tora, Tora, Tora (who got their reproduction zero's and val's from the movie) were also suppose to be involved in Pearl Harbor also.  Can't find their site now so I can't double check but if so close up's might well have been their planes.


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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2001, 09:13:00 AM »
Well personally I thought it was magnificent.

Like Hblair the spit vs LW footage was awesome, edge of my chair, almost stop my heart stuff.

Yes there were a few things that weren't perfect, it's a movie! It's not like they have 100's of zekes, vals, kates, p40's left laying around in perfect flying condition.

What it did do IMO was recreat the feel, the mood of the times very well. And remind me of how grateful I am that

A Our fathers, uncles, grandfathers etc did their part, large or small. Stood on the wall to defend this country regardless of personal cost.

B We live in a time without war. So instead of actually being shot at, bombed & blown up I can enjoy the good things of that fight without anyone being hurt. Thanks to HTC
I can experience some of what it was like.

I saw a LOT of young teens at the theater last night. If 10% of them walk out with a little more respect for all those who have died for this country, then the movie was a success IMHO.

Agree or disagree, don't take my word for it.
Go see it for yourself.


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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2001, 10:06:00 AM »
Found this kinda interesting.
 www.nationalgeographic.com/pearlharbor/

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2001, 11:35:00 AM »
 
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Well personally I thought it was magnificent.

Like Hblair the spit vs LW footage was awesome, edge of my chair, almost stop my heart stuff.

Yes there were a few things that weren't perfect, it's a movie! It's not like they have 100's of zekes, vals, kates, p40's left laying around in perfect flying condition.

What it did do IMO was recreat the feel, the mood of the times very well. And remind me of how grateful I am that

A Our fathers, uncles, grandfathers etc did their part, large or small. Stood on the wall to defend this country regardless of personal cost.

B We live in a time without war. So instead of actually being shot at, bombed & blown up I can enjoy the good things of that fight without anyone being hurt. Thanks to HTC
I can experience some of what it was like.

I saw a LOT of young teens at the theater last night. If 10% of them walk out with a little more respect for all those who have died for this country, then the movie was a success IMHO.

Agree or disagree, don't take my word for it.
Go see it for yourself.


hehe being a Sim pilot, i caught my self thinking during the DF sences, saying
do this, do that, do this move, that 1 hehe
DFs were engrossing for sure.

be damned if the tracers didnt look like the 1s in AH   wtg HT and crew.

whels