Author Topic: Cop Killer Bullets? (Read 2131 times)

rpm · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2004, 12:59:40 PM »

The Bill will most likely be re-worded. I don't see why any ammo specificaly designed to penetrate body armor should be sold to the public. As for the bullet thru the dozer blade, I once saw The Lone Ranger fire 14 shots without reloading. What's your point?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:01:48 PM »

Even if the bullet does penetrate, it's lost a lot of it's damage potential.

TPIguy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:13:32 PM »

I guess I better buy all the cheap czech sliver tip 7.62x54r I can gets my hands on. Cause if they ban steel core ammo I won't beable to find anything cheap.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:15:21 PM »

Out of curiosity how heavy are the type III and IV armours mentioned - I've used a II and that was bearable - just how feasible are the higher levels in heat during strenuous activity for extended periods?

SOB · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:41:10 PM »

LOL, I suppose it's too much to expect that everyone would actually read the article before posting.

LePaul · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:42:28 PM »

Ted Kennedy found a catchword that 90% of the population is too stupid to research or determine on their own.

So, if you ask Joe Shmo if "cop killer" bullets should be illegal, his knee jerk reaction would most likely be "Well yea".

But if someone reads what you posted and realizes that body armor isnt a perfect science yet...they'd understand that.

The general public probably thinks most cops have armor ala Robocop.

Kennedy's reaching for people's ignorance, which is in abundance.

Toad · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:43:11 PM »

The Interceptor with the IV plates is near 17 pounds. The 1/2" III/IV combo plates themselves are about 9.

Sort version is the vest itself (no plates) is IIIA (9mm) and weighs in right around 8 lbs.

Heat? Well, they now build in the attachments for the camelback type hydration units. That says something, I think.

BTW, the Interceptor is new and "hi-tech"; it's much lighter and much more effective. The old PASGT system ("flak jackets") were almost 25 pounds are generally said to be "about IIA". Some sites say 9mm pistol will penetrate the PASGT's.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:46:06 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Even if the bullet does penetrate, it's lost a lot of it's damage potential.

Ok... go stand right over there and put this on. Hold still now...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:55:36 PM »

Which would you prefer?

Being shot without a vest? Or being shot with a vest?

No one wants to get shot. However, they want the least amount of damage done if thye do.

sniper68 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 01, 2004, 02:04:31 PM »

u know all the other kennedys died for teds sins right

Otto · « **Reply #25 on:** March 01, 2004, 02:06:15 PM »

"Kennedy claims that he is aiming at "cop-killer" bullets, but he appears to be badly misinformed on the issue."

I'm afraid with Ted, it's not just bullets....

lazs2 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 01, 2004, 02:13:16 PM »

laser... you might be better off without the vest. If the bullet expands from hitting the vest instead of mking a nice little neat hole in and out... half the energy of my 44 is about 400 lbs or, about what a 45 acp starts out with. Half the energy of a ought 6 hunting round is about 3 times that.... might still go through you after hitting the vest but the hole would be about 3 times as big.

lazs

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 01, 2004, 02:38:19 PM »

Many of these bullets need a certain velocity to fragment. If this isn't done on the vest, it won't be done in the body.

Plus if the bullet expands upon contact with the armor, it will lose a hell of a lot more energy if it gets past.

Toad · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2004, 03:17:31 PM »

Usually, fragmentation is undesirable. It's better for the bullet to expand while retaining the highest percentage of its original weight as possible to increase penetration.

It's true that bullet construction varies and some bullets are built for rapid expansion (varmint bullets) and some for less expansion but deeper penetration. Velocity has quite a bit to do with this aspect.

However, the make-up of these vests and their ratings consider both penetration and blunt trauma. If you research it you'll find that some vests pass against penetration but fail to meet blunt trauma standards.

What Laz is trying to tell you is that wearing a vest does not necessarily guarantee you the "least amount of damage" or that you will live through the experience.

To the extreme,

Case 1. You're shot with say a .308 with no vest and the bullet passes through without expanding (making a .308 hole ) or hitting a vital organ and and you live.

Case 2. You're shot with a .308 with a vest and the vest slows and expands the projectile, you die because the expanded bullet damages a vital organ.

What's the least amount of damage?

Curval · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2004, 03:26:24 PM »

Cop killing bullets are cute and fund.