ok lets get down to it what will a new P40N and P47N bring to the D-30 and E

[simshell]

ok iv seen some posts saying some want a NEW p40 and a NEW p47


i think its the P40N and the P47N

iv looked at some info about the P40N and i dont think its realy that good of a upgrade

not sure about the P47N

just asking what did these new planes upgrade to make them better

[ra]

P-47N was faster and had much longer range than the D-30.  Dunno much about the P-40N, probably faster and better at hi-alt than the P-40E.

ra

[Octavius]

The P40F was outfitted with a Packard Merlin V-1650-1 V12 1300HP engine (with a two speed supercharger).  This upgraded provided much better acceleration and performance at altitude.  The P40K and beyond reverted to the original refined Allison V-1710-xx (xx = 81, 99, or 115 for the N model).  Less takeoff power was needed and offered an even greater rate of climb.

So basically its a beefier P40E.  The airframe remained slightly the same throughout its life except the lengthened fuselage and removal of the carburettor intake from the cowl.  It was lightened and rearranged some fuel tanks.  That and it was the most produced variant of the P40 family.  

    Curtiss Model 87 Hawk development continued in 1942 wiht the P40K and M (Kittyhawk III for RAF in both cases), the former in its earlier variants essentially similar to the P40E but with the more powerful V-1710-73 engine and the slightly increased fuel capacity of the P40F.  The last 500 P40Ks featured the lengthened rear fuselage which had been introduced on the Merlin powered model.

     The final production version of the Model 87 was hte P40N (RAF Kittyhawk IV) which with 5216 built accounted for 40 percent of all Hawk production.  Introduced in early 10943, the P40N was an attempt to redress the aircraft's basic performance shortcomings which were becoming more marked as time went on.  Weight saving was the key to its design with lightned structure, reduced armour, guns and ammunition removed and forward wing tanks eliminated.

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[lasersailor184]

It's pretty much a P40 with a better engine.  And that makes it 20x better.

[oboe]

I think the P-47 added fuel tanks in the wings, and had the wing tips clipped off.   But we're talking about a 465 mph bird here!

I think the P-47M would be an easy addition.   Its slightly faster than the "N" but requires no 3D art changes.    Just the FM changes.    It has no A2G capability but would be a nice USAAF perk plane in the 56th FG's grey/green camo.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by oboe
I think the P-47 added fuel tanks in the wings, and had the wing tips clipped off.   But we're talking about a 465 mph bird here!

I think the P-47M would be an easy addition.   Its slightly faster than the "N" but requires no 3D art changes.    Just the FM changes.    It has no A2G capability but would be a nice USAAF perk plane in the 56th FG's grey/green camo.

There were substantial differences between the the P-47N and all previous Jugs. Aside from the 2,800 hp C series R-2800 engine, the wing structure was significantly changed. They didn't simply "clip" the wings. A 22" section was added between the fuselage and the pre-existing wingroot. These new sections contained added fuel tankage. The landing gear was moved further outboard, widening the track (actually adding to ground stability). Likewise the guns were moved further outboard and were more difficult to harmonize. Wing tips were partially squared and new ailerons were designed. Weight increased substantially, with maximum takeoff weight exceeding 21,000 pounds. Roll rate improved some, but overall agility suffered. CLimb rate was no better than that of early P-47C type (pre-paddle blade prop). Level speed was higher, simply due to the increase in power, but acceleration wasn't as good as the D-30 and D-40 series. External load remained unchanged, the increase in range was strictly a result of increased internal fuel capacity.

I see no advantage in adding the P-47N, its general performance is not any better than the P-47D-30, except for a minor increase in speed at altitude.

On the other hand, the P-47M WOULD be a significant improvement.

While P-47Ms were delivered without underwing pylons, they had the hardpoints and all wiring in place. Shortly after entering service with the 56th FG, the cover plates were removed and pylons were installed (see photo below). Remember, the 56th used the P-47M for escort duty. It would be the fastest prop fighter in the plane set by a substantial margin above 25,000 feet.



My regards,

Widewing

[brady]

Sweat Jesious, I certainly hope we dont see another P47 anytime soon, nore another P40, howeaver I would consider the later a lesser evial. I am certainly not aposed to people wanting things but AH base plane set is so over run with Allied types ( I am not including the Russians Hear) that in the short term I hope they try and even the score somewhat, and throw the  more deprived countrys a boan.

[bozon]

if you want a better preforming jug with out getting a perk monster M, just put a paddle blade prop on the D11. it's already the fastest jug, better handling then the D30 and with the prop it'll also climb better (400-500 fpm added) and some extra MPH and acceleration.

Bozon

[SELECTOR]

why these planes???? we already have 3 p47 and 2 p40.there are more important types to get into game..

[Widewing]

Originally posted by brady
Sweat Jesious, I certainly hope we dont see another P47 anytime soon, nore another P40, howeaver I would consider the later a lesser evial. I am certainly not aposed to people wanting things but AH base plane set is so over run with Allied types ( I am not including the Russians Hear) that in the short term I hope they try and even the score somewhat, and throw the  more deprived countrys a boan.

Sweet Jesus Brady! You have out-done yourself this time. Just when I thought my squadie, Roscoroo, had just about matched you, you reset the bar!  

By the way, I agree that once AH2 is up, HTC should concentrate on providing additional Japanese and Italian aircraft before any others. Both are very under-represented. Then maybe the P-39 and Brewster could follow as updates are brought in.

My regards,

Widewing

[Flyboy]

Originally posted by Widewing
[BOn the other hand, the P-47M WOULD be a significant improvement.

While P-47Ms were delivered without underwing pylons, they had the hardpoints and all wiring in place. Shortly after entering service with the 56th FG, the cover plates were removed and pylons were installed (see photo below). Remember, the 56th used the P-47M for escort duty. It would be the fastest prop fighter in the plane set by a substantial margin above 25,000 feet.

My regards,

Widewing [/B]

 
i knew the P47m was a big improvement but i didnt knew it was that batter.

can you give some performence numbers?

allso how many where build during WW2?

[simshell]

brady we all understand why you want more planes from other sides

but plz leave it out of this thread

i made this to ask what would these planes bring  not saying we need them made before RUSS japan planes

[Urchin]

I'd love to have a P-47M added to AH.  

Yea, it had a very limited production run, but so did the N1k2, the 3 gun La-7, the Ta-152, and the F4U-1C.  

But the P-47M would be just plain badass, as opposed to the rather tame (and lame) Ta-152.

[lasersailor184]

I want to see the P-40n because from what I've read, it was used a good amount.  A lot more the some of these other late war fighters.


It wouldn't be the best fighter ingame, but it would be a gigantic step up from the P-40E.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Flyboy
 
i knew the P47m was a big improvement but i didnt knew it was that batter.

can you give some performence numbers?

allso how many where build during WW2?

475-485 mph @ 32k

370-375 mph on the deck.

Depending upon fuel load, 3,650 to 4,100 fpm climb from sea level.

130 built. S/Ns 44-21108 thru 44-21237, plus one YP-47M (built from last P-47D-27 off the Farmingdale line.

My regards,

Widewing