Author Topic: On Tap for friday the 5th of March (Read 2767 times)

Shane · « **Reply #30 on:** March 04, 2004, 07:00:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire
Im not sure what version if the P-51D didnt have the dorsal fin, none that I know of.

In order to provide for better directional stability, a dorsal fin was added ahead of the rudder during the production run of the P-51D Block 10. Some of the earlier P-51Ds (plus a few P-51Bs) were retrofitted with this dorsal fin. The extra weight and drag caused by this fin was quite small, but it helped a lot in improving the directional stability, especially when the rear fuselage fuel tank was full.

Almost all Block-25 and subsequent Ds had underwing hardpoints not only for bombs and fuel tanks but also for various types of rocket launchers. These included zero-length stubs for six 5-inch rockets or as many as ten if no drop tanks were carried. Alternatively, "Bazooka" tubes could be carried in triple clusters.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_10.html

Squire · « **Reply #31 on:** March 04, 2004, 07:03:38 PM »

I dont think the P-51D is needed, I was just commenting on what you said, splitting hairs really.

I have seen the 3-44 date before on the 109G-10, its total hogwash. The 109G-14 (a standardised late model 109G-6) wasn't even in service on that date, and it preceeded the 109G-10 in service.

I will give you one source I do have on it, since you asked:

Squadron/Signal "Bf 109 in Action part 2" P.44

"The G-10 was issued to units in early Fall, 1944"

Here is an internet source ( a good one):

http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bjagd.html

You wont find any staffels with them prior to November 1944, although they are "authorised" by October. It was a late 44 fighter, just like the 109K was.

3-44 probably comes from Batz, the dates are only crystal clear if its a Spitfire he's concerned about.

Slash27 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2004, 07:05:49 PM »

I predict heavy allied whine type noises

It would be hard to hear them over you.

Grits · « **Reply #33 on:** March 04, 2004, 07:07:04 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
I predict heavy allied whine type noises

So does that mean we will see you most of next week? I ask not to be a smartprettythang, I dont see how either side would object to this setup. Well, except there are no Blue planes.

Shane · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2004, 07:18:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
So does that mean we will see you most of next week? I ask not to be a smartprettythang, I dont see how either side would object to this setup. Well, except there are no Blue planes.

well, they tried....

P-51D 44-14017 was temporarily borrowed by the US Navy to determine if it would be suitable for carrier-based operations. Bureau number 57987 was assigned. The P-51D was found to be unacceptable, primarily because of the poor rudder control at low airspeeds, particularly at high angles of attack.

Soulyss · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2004, 07:38:48 PM »

Excellent, thanks Squire.

TimRas · « **Reply #36 on:** March 05, 2004, 01:24:36 AM »

"The Bottisham Four"(361 FG). Note the tail fin extension (and lack of).

Panzzer · « **Reply #37 on:** March 05, 2004, 02:24:42 AM »

...and back to congratulating Soulyss on an excellent setup.

Lentolaivue 32 will be there friday night. Of course, since the night time here in Finland is somewhat different from the rest of you guys, we'll be practising gang banging and milkrunning...

JensK · « **Reply #38 on:** March 05, 2004, 04:27:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Panzzer
Of course, since the night time here in Finland is somewhat different from the rest of you guys, we'll be practising gang banging and milkrunning...

Is that what you finns do, night time?!

Kippis!

Great setup though! Really looking forward to it!

Panzzer · « **Reply #39 on:** March 05, 2004, 04:51:37 AM »

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Originally posted by JensK
Is that what you finns do, night time?!
Kippis!

What I meant was that there usually aren't too many players on at evenings (for example 9 pm in Finland which is 8 pm CET = 2 pm EST)... Giving us opportunities to do all kinds of fun almost unhindered.

BTW Jens, have you found the Tuntematon sotilas on DVD yet? Or was it you that was asking for it, couple of months ago? The B&W version is at least available on dvd, with English and Swedish subtitles.

Kippis!:)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** March 05, 2004, 06:01:08 AM »

G10 is a late 44 plane. However there is nothing between the G10 and our G6 like a G6 with MW 50 or a G6/AS which had better performance and were available in early 44.

Kegger26 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 05, 2004, 06:57:35 AM »

Well I am thinking the G10 needs to go. If we cant have the P51D because it was a mid 44 plane, then the G10 needs to go becuase it was a late 44 plane also. Keep the G6, but lose the 10.

Squire · « **Reply #42 on:** March 05, 2004, 09:33:57 AM »

"G10 is a late 44 plane. However there is nothing between the G10 and our G6 like a G6 with MW 50 or a G6/AS which had better performance and were available in early 44."

So what boost does a 109G-6 use then? It does @390mph, which is as fast as it went, I dont see the problem. Its not slower than it should be.

As for a 109G-6/AS well, we can go on and on about what versions are missing for all kinds of AH a/c, dozens of them. Further to that the 109G-6/AS was not a common type, and only equipped a few staffels from June 44 on, it wasnt the equivalent of a 109G-10 either.

109G-6 was the most numerous 109 in service in the first half of 1944. It was the 109 most encountered by the P-51B. Its a fine matchup, isnt it? climb rate vs speed, cannon vs MG, low speed vs high speed handling, its one of the classic matchups of WW2.

Kegger26 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 05, 2004, 11:28:11 AM »

Hey storch do me a favor.... would you please go play in traffic.

Batz · « **Reply #44 on:** March 05, 2004, 12:30:21 PM »

A G6 with MW50 is a G14 plain and simple. HT didn’t model a G14 or a G6/AS (if you fly FB you know that the G6/AS there is really a G14/AS because it has MW 50; G6 + MW50 = G14). The AH G10 easily outperforms all allied aircraft. Its performance is that of a ‘45 109 running at 1.98 ata with C3 fuel.

There is a real question as to whether the AH G6 is a bit to slow at alt (12 -15mph max) but that doesn't change much. All late war allied planes will still be faster.

The allied Farm Bois will whine when you kill them in a G10 and they will whine when you kill them in a G6. The only problem is all the running they do; in a g6 it just takes longer to catch them. It is funny though that these whiners are the same type of tards that argue for the F4U-4 vs. the a6m5 / Niki / Ki-61.