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« on: March 07, 2004, 05:28:31 AM »
I know you like Beemers. Have you ever considered owning the Merc equivalent of your current car? Would it be much different in price? AFAIK Mercs hold their value like no other car... Driving in Germany, I expected to see lots of BMWs pass me at 150mph. But the high speed cars were mostly Mercs, and maybe a few BMW.

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2004, 05:32:14 AM »
Mercs are cumbersome, less oriented at the driver's experience and more towards comfort and usually visually repulsing. But that is just personal obviously...

On topic, BMW surpassed MBenz in the US as most value-retaing brand. Was posted on the board a few weeks ago, I believe.

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2004, 06:32:03 AM »
Besides, a Mercedes would ruin the whole decor scheme in his garage.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2004, 06:49:26 AM »
Morning (Afternoon) Beetle.
No, I've honestly never considered Merc's and model for model, they're slightly higher $$ here in the U.S.   I drove a 1992 525i a couple years before I purchased my bimmer, and realized what a fine performance car its was, handling wise and began saving my money.  What really sold me was this '92 525 I drove had over 180,000 miles on it, and I thought it was relatively low milege until I looked at the odometer. The owner was a 2nd owner, and nothing had been done to the car except basic wear out items like brakes, clutches, etc.  It too had the inline 6.

Thud is right about holding their value, but thats not why I bought the car. I bought it because I test drove alot of different models that were similiar, and none could match the handling that the 3'er had with the sports suspension, combined with the comfortable interior room for my family of 4 and the gas milege (25 city/30 highway, 23 if I'm pushing the car hard)  I did not, however, test drive a Merc so I can't give it a fair comparison.

Are you considering a Merc Beetle?

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2004, 07:14:04 AM »
When I was a mechanic I found that the Mercedes was the smoothest car to drive compared to the BMW.  Jaguar XJ6 was also very smooth to drive.  Both German cars engines last forever but one thing I did find odd was that the interior of the Merc and BMW was very basic; you really had to have all the optional extras fitted to make it comparable to say, a Jaguar.  Of course times have most likely progressed ten fold since I ceased being a mechanic!

Where I live in England there's always plenty of flash cars going about.  BMWs are ten a penny but Mercs are still less common.  With that in mind if I had to choose between the two it would be the Merc (although the new BMW 6 series and Z4 are very sweet looking!).


Of course I can't afford one so.... ;)
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2004, 07:15:44 AM »
BTW, Beetle, why 'Remains Of The Day'?
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2004, 07:16:14 AM »
the newest mercs are better looking than ever but the bmw is still better.

Some hate the new bmw design and a few love it....i agree with the few.

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2004, 07:47:38 AM »
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Originally posted by beet1e
Driving in Germany, I expected to see lots of BMWs pass me at 150mph. But the high speed cars were mostly Mercs, and maybe a few BMW.
Cuz every knucklehead here drives a Benz.;)

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2004, 07:53:24 AM »
Speaking of Benz, I just ordered one of these.  What a "Hoot" to drive.


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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2004, 10:38:19 AM »
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Are you considering a Merc Beetle?
No, but I do like those SLKs like the one in the right hand picture that Nexx posted. I sold my 2.8i V6 Golf in November and replaced it with another Golf, a 1.9 GTi/TDi. Long list of pluses for the diesel, the main one being the fuel consumption - always more than 40mpg, 50mpg or more on some journeys. For the V6 it was only ever 20-27mpg. With fuel prices as they are in Britain, I'm saving about £80 (=$147) per month on fuel bills. And the TDi is no sacrifice. It accelerates effortlessly through 70...80...90, and is happy to stay there. The only thing I miss about the V6 is the 4WD.

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2004, 10:47:48 AM »
THAT is one ugly car. did they run out of ideas so they just copied a Honda CRX?
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2004, 11:44:37 AM »
Beatle,

In the US, Merc is not really seen as a 'performance' car as it is in Europe.  That is just now starting to change with the advertising blitz MB is doing for some of the new AMG cars (E55 especially).

Americans tend to look upon the car pretty much as has been described above - heavy, bulky, comfortable.  Now - they are extremely comfortable cars, but with most having curb weights exceeding 3800 lbs, they're not exactly gymnasts.

The other problem is the transmission... the US doesnt get manual tranny's in the cars that you do in Europe.

Its difficult to justify a car as a 'sports car' without being able to row your own boat.

If the C32 had a 6 speed and a tach you could read, I'd be all over it.  Unfortunately, all it really amounts to is a stupid fast sedan with a torque converter.

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2004, 01:25:52 PM »
Saurd - I don't have an axe to grind either way in the manual/auto debate. I've had both and I like both. Auto was sometimes less than ideal in hilly terrain, but with four ratios plus lock-up overdrive, they're a lot better now than they were 20-30 years ago. But my new car, like the last one, has 6 forward gears - manual.

Oddly enough, some cars are not offered in manual form even in Europe - and I thought the Merc SLK was one. Certainly I never saw a manual Merc SL in the 80s/90s. I had a Toyota Supra 3.0i turbo in 1991, and actually chose the automatic. Its performance figures (top speed 153mph, 0-60 in 6.1 secs) were identical to those of the manual car. It was a great car. I kept it 6½ years and 84,000 trouble free miles.

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2004, 01:37:32 PM »
It seems Mercedes is abandoing manual trannys, they now have a 7 speed automatic thats suppsed to be quicker than 5-6 speed manuals...

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2004, 03:13:41 PM »
Grun is right, Mercedes seems to really be abandoning manual transmissions - a shame, imho.

The new SLR comes with a 5-speed-auto. Although it can be set to semi-manual (tiptronic) mode, it's still not what I would expect on a super-sportscar. Makes it seem like just another toy for buyers with more money than driving skill.
I'd take a Porsche over the SLR anytime.. if it weren't for the sound of the SLR. Those sidepipes are just.. evil.

On the big Sedans the 7G-Tronic is awesome though. Feels extremely smooth with improved acceleration and reduced emissions compared to manual transmission and the old 5 speed automatic.

Beetle, i take it it's just a typo, but the car on the right picture Nexx posted is a SL, not a SLK. You're right though, neither version of the SL is available with manual transmission.
The SLK is still available with a 6-speed-manual though. Even the upcoming  new model. Fun drive, plus the new SLK finally looks good too :)