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Offline Flyboy

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a spit dweeb needs your help
« on: March 08, 2004, 10:53:18 AM »
i am trying to build a picture in my head of all the spitfire moddels up untill the spit 14. ive searched abit in google but all it did is got me confused and exusted.


you dont have to be a genius to figure the chronological order of the different spit moddels:

I II III VI V and so on,

so what i basicly looking for is this:

what are the sub variants for each moddel (for example the LF IXc )
what are differents between each sub varient?
what engines and what is the different between them in all the spit varients?


this has become my little project as im building a data base on my favorite WW2 plane.

i know there are some real experts in here and i hope its not to much of a burden since it is alot of data im asking

so thanks in advance to everyone who can help


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sorry for my horrible english :rolleyes:

Offline Ecliptik

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2004, 11:59:31 AM »
I II III IV V, not VI V.

IV = 4

VI = 6

Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2004, 01:29:31 PM »
Hmmm OK here goes.  I'd suggest getting a copy of Spitfire-The History-by Morgan and Shacklady if you really want to break this down further.

Just gonna do Fighter Variants as going into all the Photo Recce birsds based on the Spit I and V would take a while.  Not including non production variants like the Spit III

Spit I-First fighter variant.  Initially had a two blade wooden fixed pitch prop and a flat top canopy.  Later versions had two speed 3 blade props and then constant speed propellers. Later versions also had the canopy bulged to give more head room.  The majority were Ia versions with 8 303 mgs, but there were some flown operationally as Ibs with 2 20mm cannons. Gun stoppages and jams did not make that version popular.  Engines were Merlin II and III.

Spit II Castle Bromwich built version of the Spit I. Powered by a Merlin XII.  Most were built as IIa's with 8 303 mgs, but about 170 were built as IIbs with 2 20mm and 4 303mgs..  A small batch were built with 40 gallon fuel tanks on the leading edge of the right wing and were used operationally but not with much enthusiasm by the pilots who flew them. Profile I did of an OTU Spit II that still exists and is being restored.


Spit IV(Not produced, but the first Griffon engined Spit.  Later became the prototype for the XII.)

Spit V.  Produced in F or LF versions designated Va, Vb or Vc depending on wing type.  The A wing had 8 303s, the B wing had 2 20mm and 4 303s, the C or Universal Wing had provisions for 8 303, 2 20mm and 4 303 or 4 20mm installations.  The wing could be clipped, normal span, with a few fitted with locally made extended wing tips for high alt work.  Engine types were Merlin 45, 46 , 50, 55, 56 and derivatives of each.  Spit Vs used in the Med or in the Pacific had the "Vokes filter" added to keep sand etc out of the engine. This gave it the larger profile nose. Profile of a fairly basic Vb


Spit VI (High altitude variant based on the Spit V.  had pressurized cockpit with canopy bolted on.  4 blade propeller, extended wings.  Had B wing armament of 2 20mm cannon and 4 303mg.  100 production aircraft powered by a single stage Merlin 47

Spit VII-High altitude variant using the two stage Merlin 71.  This one also had a pressurized canopy but it was sliding.  It used the Universal wing with 2 20mm and 4 303 mgs as well as the smaller span ailerons of the VIII.  It also had either the early rudder or the later broad chord pointed rudder.  No tropical filter under the nose.  A small intake could be seen on the right side of the nose under the exhausts that was only seen on pressurized Spits.

Spit VIII-LF, F and HF variants.  Used the Universal wing with 2 20mm cannon & 4 303mgs.  Wings were clipped, normal or extended span depending on the role it was being used for. Engines were Merlin 61, 63, 66, or 70 depending on the variant.  LF for example used the Merlin 66.  HF used the Merlin 70.  Differed from the IX which was produced earlier, by having retractable tail, shorter span ailerons,. tropical air filters from the start.  Early versions has smaller rudder.  Most had tall pointed rudder of the XII.Profile is of an Aussie Spit VIII.



Spit IX -LF, F and HF variants.  Used the Universal wing with 2 20mm cannon & 4 303mgs, or the E wing with 2 20mm cannon and 2 .5MGs.  Wings were clipped, normal or extended span depending on the role it was being used for. Engines were Merlin 61, 63, 66, or 70 depending on the variant.  LF for example used the Merlin 66.  HF used the Merlin 70.  Early versions did not have the larger 'tropical filter' under the nose but this was added later. Rudder was either the early rounded rudder or later the tall pointed broader chord rudder of the XII.

Spit XII-Clipped wing variant with a Universal wing with 2 20mm and 4 303 mgs.  Engine was either Griffon III or Griffon IV.  100 Built, used by 41 and 91 Squadrons. Profile of the only surviving Spit XII.


Spit XIV-First two stage Griffon variant.  Used either the Griffon 65 or 66.  Could have clipped or normal span wings.  Could be high profile back or cut down fuselage with bubble canopy.  Some modified with a camera port behind the cockpit, known as the FRXIV.  Used the Universal wing with 2 20mm or 4 303 mgs on early XIVs, with the majority having the E wing with 2 20mm and 2 .5mgs. High back and low back XIV profiles:


Keep in mind, learning Spits, is like learning 109s.  There are so many variants of variants that it takes a while to get it all straight.

Using the Spit LF IX as an example.

You could see a Spit LFIX like the profile below with a full span Universal wing carrying 2 20mm and 4 303mgs, with no tropical intake and a small rudder. Or you could see a low back LFIX too.


or you could see a Spit LFIX like the profile below with a clipped E wing with 2 20mm and 2 .5mgs as the broad chord rudder and tropical filter.


A low back Spit LFIX


All Spit LFIXs but definately not looking alike in many ways.That applies to most Spit variants.  OK techically the last two are XVIs, as I haven't done profiles of IXs in the same config yet, but the XVI was the IX with a Merlin 266 built in the US. You could find LFIXs with the same look.  You get the point I hope :)

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2004, 01:56:16 PM »
Spitfire Mk I (powered by a 1,030hp Merlin II, two blade, fixed pitch wooden prop, four .303s {two in each wing}, flat topped canopy)

Spitfire Mk Ia (added the de Haviland three blade, two pitch prop, eight .303s {four in each wing} and bulged top canopy)

Spitfire Mk Ib (first attempt to mount Hispano Mk I cannon on the Spitfire)

Spitfire Mk IIa (powered by a 1,175hp Merlin XII, constant speed Rotol prop introduced on some Mk IIs)

Spitfire Mk IIb (attempt to mount Hispano Mk I cannon on the Spitfire, may be concurrent with Spitfire Mk Ib attempt)

Spitfire Mk IV (Giffon powered prototype, intended for production but never happened0

Spitfire Mk IV (unarmed, Merlin powered, photo recon Spitfire {yes, this is also a Spitfire Mk IV, confusing ain't it})

Spitfire Mk Va (Merlin 45 powered, armed with eight .303s)

Spitfire Mk Vb (first successful instalation of Hispano Mk I cannon, armed with two Hispano Mk I cannon {60rpg} and four .303s)

Spitfire Mk Vc (introduces the "Universal wing" that can carry eight .303s, or two Hispano Mk II {120rpg} and four .303s, or four Hispano Mk II; also bombs and droptanks; also powered by Merlin 46 and Merlin 47)

Spitfire Mk VI (1,415hp Merlin 47 powered high altitude interceptor)

Spitfire Mk VII (1,660hp Merlin 61 powered high altitude interceptor with extended wingtips)

Spitfire Mk VIII (definitive Merlin powered Spitfire, introduced after Spitfire Mk IX)

Spitfire F.Mk IX (Merlin 61 {early} or Merlin 63 powered intrim Spitfire {until Mk VIII is ready} upgrade on the Spitfire Mk Vc airframe in response to the Fw190)

Spitfire LF.Mk IX (Merlin 66 powered for better low altitude performance in response to testing of captured Fw190; introduces the "e" wing with two Hispano Mk II canon and two Browning .50 cal {250rpg}; droptank, bombs and rocket capable; often clipped wing)

Spitfire HF.Mk IX (Merlin 70 powered high altitude eqivilent of LF.Mk IX)

Spitfire Mk X (pressurized Merlin 77 powered, urarmed, photo recon Spitfire)

Spitfire Mk XI (as Mk X but unpressurized)

Spitfire Mk XII (first Griffon powered Spitfire in service, powered by a 1,735hp Griffon II or IV, based on a strengthed Mk V or Mk VIII airframe)

Spitfire Mk XIII (low altitude recon Spitfire with four .303s and powered by a 1,620hp Merlin 32)

Spitfire F.Mk XIV (2,050hp Griffon 65 powered Spitfire, intrim lashup based on a strengthed Mk VIII airframe until definitive Griffon Spitfire was ready)

Spitfire FR.Mk XIV (Fighter Recon Spitfire, added fuel tank behind pilot, camera behind pilot, bubble canopy, armed with two Hispano Mk II and two Browning .50, often clipped wing)
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2004, 03:16:53 PM »
well, i just got back from my friend's house and while i was there a really (REALLY) big book with the word SPITFIRE on his side

in short, i started reading "Spitfire- the history" and my first impression is that i could build a spit with only this bok as the instruction manual :)

ill look in to it in next days, its not an eazy read and allso i have trouble with all kinds of technical terms im not familiar with.
ill try to figure it out by myself but ill probably need your help in the future.

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2004, 08:34:56 PM »
Karnak...Guppy....you are great :)
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2004, 04:46:29 AM »
Here are the versions of the SEAFIRE :


Prototype: One Spitfire Mk VB converison with deck arrester hook.
 
Mk IB: 166 Spitfire VB conversions; Rolls-Royce Merlin 45 or 46;Two hispanio cannon and two .303in Browning machine guns.
 
F.Mk IIC: Medium altitude fighter version. Spitfire Mk VC conversions with Universal wing.
 
L.(F).Mk IIC:  Low altitude fighter version. Spitfire Mk VC conversions with Universal wing.

F.R. Mk IIC:  Reconnaissance fighter version. Spitfire Mk VC conversions with Universal wing.

F.Mk III:  As MK IIC variants above, with folding wings.
 
L.(F).Mk III:  As MK IIC variants above, with folding wings.

F.R. Mk III:   As MK IIC variants above, with folding wings.

Mk III (Hybrid):  Westland-built model with normal non-folding wings; Merlin 55; redesignated as L.(F).Mk IIC.
 
Mk XV, XVIII, 45, 46 and 47: Griffon-engined post-war variants.


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Re: spitfire help
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2004, 05:14:54 AM »
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Re: a spit dweeb needs your help
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2004, 12:17:55 AM »
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Originally posted by Flyboy
P.S
sorry for my horrible english :rolleyes:
nothing to do with the topic..

but that was perfectly fine english

heck better than most US residents usually type in here myself included LOL
I don't know what to put here yet.