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« on: March 07, 2004, 08:29:10 PM »
I have heard a lot of negative commentary about fascism on this BBS, and I just want this thread to clear up a lot of the issues relating to it. The only reason, in my opinion, that fascism has a bad name is due to its relationship with Italy and especially Nazi Germany. There, the military control was used to carry out the agendas of the leaders of those respective movements. I in no way, shape, or form condone that. The military should be used to maintain order and prevent active dissent, NOT crush political opponents or grouped deemed as "dangerous." Now I know I'm going to hear the social scientists defending republican and democratic governments, but consider this:
1) Less than half the country votes in the Presidential election.
2) Two thirds of the Senate have been involved in a criminal action or civil lawsuit of some sort in the time in the Senate.
3) The dual party system functionally ensures that nothing important is ever accomplished. If the democrats want it, the republics will veto it. If the republicans want it, the democrats will kill it.
I am of the opinion the system has failed, or, save for that, is failing. Freedom of speech, religion, and basic civil liberties need NOT be done away with in a fascist society. A militaristic society would be better for protecting the American people from outside threats. Think...a country that works without the bureaucracy that is the current government, with laws proposed by popular vote and adopted by the same system. No overly political House or Senate that work to please only his or her constituents, or overly influential lobbying groups that all but run the government. No hidden agendas, no corruption, and no centralized power base. Citizen rule, with only an executive counsel to sign bills into law and control the military, with this counsel being elected for life and subject to impeachment for misconduct.
Voting rights should not be inherent in this society, as the average voter has no comprehension of the facts or the consequences of his vote. Voting rights need to be earned, not given.
I, personally, believe that the United States could function as a fascist government, better then a democratic government as it is far more efficient. I welcome comments and criticisms; I expect a lot of the latter.

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2004, 08:39:51 PM »
Uhhhm, no....

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2004, 08:52:21 PM »
I'm going to have to go with Grunherz here.


The political parties don't kill bills just to grief the other party.  They kill the bills because they believe they are wrong.


And last time I checked, here in America, we are allowed to believe whatever we want...
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2004, 09:00:32 PM »
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And last time I checked, here in America, we are allowed to believe whatever we want...


I'm not denying that, I'm simply saying that those rights would be preserved.

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2004, 09:13:08 PM »
It's skipping off of the top of my head as to who said, "Every man would be a tyrant if given the chance."


You give a fascistic government opportunity to get rid of these liberties and it will.  Hell, i'd even bet money on it because "Every man would be a tyrant if given the chance."

Most of the things you listed as to solutions would be easily manipulated.  That's why they are worded that way.

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The military should be used to maintain order and prevent active dissent,


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NOT crush political opponents or grouped deemed as "dangerous."


Whoop!  Whoop!  Oxymoron alert!  All hands to battlestations!

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Freedom of speech, religion, and basic civil liberties need NOT be done away with in a fascist society


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The military should be used to maintain order and prevent active dissent,


Whoop!  Whoop!  More oxymorons off the port bow!

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A militaristic society would be better for protecting the American people from outside threats.


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The military should be used to maintain order and prevent active dissent,


Whoop!  Whoop!  THE OXYMORONS SIR!  THEY'RE OVERWHELMING US!

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No hidden agendas, no corruption, and no centralized power base.


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The military should be used to maintain order and prevent active dissent,


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with only an executive counsel to sign bills into law and control the military,


We're going down sir!  The oxymorons have overwhelmed us!  ABANDON SHIP!  ABANDON SHIP!

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Citizen rule,


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with only an executive counsel to sign bills into law and control the military, with this counsel being elected for life and subject to impeachment for misconduct.


JESUS SIR!  We're already sinking and they are still firing at us!  Those relentless oxymorons!

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Voting rights need to be earned, not given.


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Freedom of speech, religion, and basic civil liberties need NOT be done away with in a fascist society.


*Sound of no orders being given because the Oxymorons have crushed all*

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No overly political House or Senate that work to please only his or her constituents,


Man.  Voting how your constituents want.  Who ever thought of this crazy Republican system idea?  They should be shot!
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2004, 09:24:13 PM »
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It's skipping off of the top of my head as to who said, "Every man would be a tyrant if given the chance."


A notable exception is George Washington.  He astounded his contemporaries when he bid farewell to the troops, and again when he stepped down after two terms as president.  He had the chance to become dictator but remained true to his cause.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2004, 09:35:36 PM »
Don't you know anything? George Washington was a member of the illuminati;  he never needed to become a dictator :D
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2004, 09:53:06 PM »
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Man.  Voting how your constituents want.  Who ever thought of this crazy Republican system idea?  They should be shot!


I meant that in modern times politicians cater more towards high budget lobbying groups then actual grassroots groups. Don't believe me? Try to get a law detrimental to the tobacco industry even proposed in Congress.

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2004, 11:10:08 PM »
Wait, let me see if I get this right.
You are defending fascism?

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2004, 11:25:31 PM »
If you ever decide to run for Gov. of California, MSNBC will dig up this thread and youre screwed.

Best to delete it now.  :eek:

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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2004, 11:28:08 PM »
"""The dual party system functionally ensures that nothing important is ever accomplished"""


thats the whole idea, "a govt that governs least , governs best"

as long as they keep fighting among themselves , the govt leaves the people alone.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2004, 11:59:54 PM »
So just because in the past facism has always resulted in wholesale murder and the quashing of individual rights, that is no reason to expect that this pattern would continue and that facism in the US would take on a kind gentle aspect that is totally foreign to its nature?

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2004, 12:18:31 AM »
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Wait, let me see if I get this right.
You are defending fascism?


Hell no ... he's promoting it. :eek: :D

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2004, 01:00:49 AM »
fuqhing skinhead.

you're entitled to an opinion, even tho' it's sorely misguided.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2004, 01:21:03 AM »
Without a doubt, the best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship.  However, the benevolent dictator dies and leaves a hostile incompetent in charge.

It took Europe hundreds of years to emasculate the power of the royal ruling families and attendent dukes/princes & etc.

Democracy by its nature is sloppy and inefficient.  Heh, that's why it works for us.  To gain true political power in the US, you must move to the center politically.

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