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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2004, 05:16:40 PM »
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Yes, Eagler, but last time I checked, Heinz didn't rely on raw materials sitting beneath the most politically unstable region on the planet. :D


It's a little known fact that the famous korean cabbage "kimchi" is a vital ingredient in ketchup...

No war for cabbage!!! No war for Heinz!!!  :)

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2004, 05:17:46 PM »
Die Mauer ist kaput.
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2004, 05:20:01 PM »
Has anyone used nukes on someone else?

who was that again?

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2004, 05:20:39 PM »
But North Korea doesn't want to do that. It wants to get its economy rescued, and keep its bomb program alive, both at the same time. The light water reactor--because it takes so long to build--meets both those needs. Delay has been North Korea's strategy all along, and still is.

In effect, over the first five years of the agreement, the United States is agreeing to let North Korea keep any bombs it has already made, and is paying North Korea not to make any more. North Korea is the only country ever to join the Treaty and then openly break the inspection obligations under it. This strategy has obviously paid off. Uncle Sam is rewarding North Korea not only with oil and reactors, but by dropping the trade restrictions that are now driving down North Korea's economy.

The message to other countries is clear. If you join the Nonproliferation Treaty, and break it by secretly making bombs, you will receive billions of dollars worth of free nuclear- and fossil- fuel energy. And you will get these benefits even if you are committing human rights violations, even if you have an undisputed record as a terrorist nation, and even if you are developing and exporting nuclear-capable missiles to other terrorist nations.

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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2004, 05:21:24 PM »
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Die Mauer ist kaput.


Yep!




"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Remarks at the Brandenburg Gate
West Berlin, Germany
June 12, 1987

Was he right or was he right!!!

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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2004, 05:22:39 PM »
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Has anyone used nukes on someone else?

who was that again?


Thats fine. Change the subject if you can't argue the current topic. No worries. (but your age is showing)

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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2004, 05:23:16 PM »
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be sure to look at who  has been in bed with. talk about owing payback...


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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2004, 05:23:38 PM »
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Has anyone used nukes on someone else?

who was that again?


F*** Y**  my friend. I'm very upset that you said that because I feel it is not a fair comparison. Where NK would use them to terrorize and hold hostage  the world and their own pepole the USA  used them to end a bloody 10+ year asian world war and to save lives of hundreds of thouysands of american soldiers, millions of japanese and preserve the future of nearly a hundred million japanese who would be spared a terrible and destructive invasion ground campaaign lasting months or years, and they did just that...
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2004, 05:25:15 PM »
And, the bottom line: the buck does not stop here:

"I would like to close by saying that the best time to confront the North Korean nuclear threat was during the Reagan and Bush administrations. The program had not yet reached the threshold of success, and there was still time for sanctions to work. Both administrations watched the program grow. But they pushed the problem into the Clinton administration. Now the Clinton administration has made a deal that will probably push the problem into the next administration, since that is when a breach by North Korea is most likely to occur. Pushing problems off to one's successor may be tempting politically, but it is a risky way to deal with the spread of nuclear weapons.

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2004, 05:27:53 PM »
hehe rip

i know my age is starting to show but you cant stop the clock from ticking ;)

btw..i belive nukes are on the agenda here

No, sorry...not gona **** myself grun :D

How many lives was lost when those 2 nukes hit anyway? You know you are not getting anywhere with that grun.

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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2004, 05:37:19 PM »
About 150,000.

About the same number of japanse civilans  died in the invasion of the small island of Okinawa earlier that year. In the same battle some 120,000 japanese soldiers were killed.  They took over 12,000 americans wioth them and wounded 36,000.

I'm guessing you are a racist who hates Japanese and wishes dearly that a land invasion cuold take place so that vastly more of them could have died from gonshots, stabs, slow burning, suffocations, shrapnel, buried in caves, bombs, crushed by tanks instead of a very small number by nuclear bombs the great majority of whom died instatly and painlessly. But I could be wrong?

Perhaps you would argue that Japan be blocaded until surrender? Yes I love the idea of starving civilan people (old men women and choildren) for years on end while the military gets all the rations to sustain the war aeffort!!!!  

Or better yet, why not wait for the russians to invade Japan. Not only could those fine young japanese women experience filthy russian rape they could then enjoy 50 years of wonderous soviet rule and prosparity like east germany and east europe.

Or we could just let more americvans keep dieng and blow one up on island while Japanese military laugh at us and sees it as sign of weakness continuing the war with greater vigor

Oh yes, those are all so nice and what the USA did was so evil...

Those were the alternatives....
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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2004, 05:46:05 PM »
Im not a racist and how you arrived at that conclusion is beyond me.

You said that those 2 nukes saved alot more american soldiers so can i also say that you are a racist beacuse you value americans higher than japanese?

So, how many lives is it ok to take to save X number of americans and japanese civilans?

50? 100? 150? or 200000?

Sorry but that just doesnt work for me...

Think we better drop this issue tho before this gets nasty and skuzz closes this thread :D

Good night grun, better go to bed...we may or may not continue this tomorrow depending on if this thread is still open :)

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« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2004, 06:01:30 PM »
If it takes 150,000 to stop a war or it takes 1,000,000 to stop a war which do you choose?

I was guessing you are a racist because your prefer war ending options that would far more suffuering to far more japanese for a longer period of time comapred to the relatively small number of people who suffered in the 2 bombs. And I'm not degrading the suffering of the nuke bomb victims, rather I am highlighting the extreme level of suffering brought on by WW2 and the extreme suffering that would be cause by a land invasion of japan or even a blocade.

WW2 was so bad that killing 150,000 was the easiest and mosdt humane way to end it... Unfortunately.. :(


BTW the racist comment is bs and I'm sorry.  I'm just trying to shock you into seeing how much more painful the other options would have been to all involved but especially to japanese people - civilan and military.

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« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2004, 06:22:50 PM »
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Get real.

Until russia, us, uk, france, china etc..etc.. decides to scrap their nukes they are in no position to ask others to.

you dont agree ha?

and why is that?


are ya kidding me? ol' kim is another fanatic! he has openly stated he would use nukes and that he wants to unify korea...WITH armed aggression if necissary and will use nukes if anyone tries to stop him!
The US and Russia well the rest of the nuke owning world never wanted to use them they were for a "deterent" wich i think worked out pretty well since we didnt nuke each other
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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2004, 06:32:03 PM »
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Has anyone used nukes on someone else?

who was that again?


Oh yeah who FORCED us too? Check your history my freind yes the US dropped 2 atomic bombs would the japs have surrendered sithout them? NO Hell their was an ongoing coupe attempt even AFTER we dropped them that is why the Japanese put forth the idea that they really shouldnt have a military cause it would just TRY again.
I really think u should study your history a little better befor making remarks like this
After Hiroshama we demanded the surrender of japan they said Nah we dont wann soooo we dropped on Nagasaki .
Dont fault the US for it Fault the idiot japanese leadership for starting it THEN continuing AFTER it was obvious they would loos AND suffer enormous civillian casuallties  wich they did..
We didnt start it but "By GOD" we dang sure finished it and probably "saved" more lives by ending it when we did. If the war had gone on longer alot more people on BOTH sides would have died. so before you go making half concieved remarks like that check your ACTUAL History and try to look at the bigger picture
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