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Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« on: March 12, 2004, 07:58:10 AM »
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CNN: Senate passes $2.36 trillion budget


(This part is what brought the question; I should have included it to begin with):

The measure was approved 51-45 after Republicans fought off a mountain of Democratic amendments. Many would have trimmed tax cuts on the richest Americans and shifted the money to health care, schools, firefighters or other popular programs.



John Kerry, D-Massachusetts; Harry Reid, D-Nevada, and Tim Johnson, D-South Dakota, did not vote.


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Kerry For President:

John Kerry has the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so we can invest in education and healthcare.


So, why didn't the vote on the budget?
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Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2004, 08:20:05 AM »
Because being a very rich man he was going to benefit from it the most?

Your politicians suck almost as much as ours. Perhaps more so in some areas.
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Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2004, 08:30:31 AM »
Maybe he was too busy fighting the imaginary "Republican hate machine" he has been talking about for about a year now.

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Re: Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2004, 08:47:44 AM »
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So, why didn't the vote on the budget?


Because it's political suicide in a presidential race to position yourself on issues like this that opponents can easily spin one way or another.  If he votes against the budget, he's for "raising taxes," and if he votes for it, he looks like a hypocrite.  Republicans understand this, and they are pursuing an active strategy of bringing up potentially embarrassing votes for Kerry to vote (or not vote) on during the campaign.

Frankly, if I were his political advisor, I would also recommend that he not vote on these issues.  Doing so gains him nothing at this point.

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Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2004, 08:49:37 AM »
Isn't it obvious? He was too busy holding meetings with the great foreign leaders and heads of state who want to see him in office rather than Bush...

Gosh, there are so many...  









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Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2004, 09:02:44 AM »
That's just lame, Groinherz.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2004, 09:06:53 AM »
It sure is Dowding, that Kerry would rather cater to the intersts of foreign leaders such as these rather thas the american people. Perhaps he shouldnt be president...

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Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2004, 09:08:58 AM »
Will you vote GRUN ?

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Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2004, 09:11:33 AM »
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It sure is Dowding, that Kerry would rather cater to the intersts of foreign leaders such as these rather thas the american people. Perhaps he shouldnt be president...


You've lost it, once a great troller now slid back into the masses of mediocrity. Sad to see a gift like that vanish...

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2004, 09:13:24 AM »
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Will you vote GRUN ?


Hell no!  Never vote, its filthy.

Thud I'm tuched by your concern. :)

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2004, 09:16:24 AM »
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That's just lame, Groinherz.


Thats just what we want..... elect a president because foreign interests support him. These so called alliances have brought us nothing in recent history, other than support for the gulf war.

I'm not referring to GB btw:)

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2004, 09:18:04 AM »
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Hell no!  Never vote, its filthy.

Thud I'm tuched by your concern. :)


// rude frenchman mode on

so you're not really part of the game don't you ?

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2004, 09:21:41 AM »
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Thats just what we want..... elect a president because foreign interests support him. These so called alliances have brought us nothing in recent history, other than support for the gulf war.

I'm not referring to GB btw:)


Thats not true, NATO and the varios economic alliances are very nice - even the UN sometimes - although that one is mosdtly pointless now.  However  if Kerry is going to run on the basis that mysterious unnamed foreign leaders are supporting him, well thats stupid. I think it illustrates his opiion of US inferiority and subserviance to foreign intersts that he has consitently displayed in his defense voting record, gulf war 1, cia funding cuts, his stance towards the UN etc etyc etc...  I dont want some limp wristed UN lapdog as US president.  And I dont take that to mean all democrats are like that (clinton sure wasnt) but it sure seems that kerry is, and thats in keeping with his ultra liberal anti-US soverignty & defense voting recird....

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Re: Re: Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2004, 09:25:24 AM »
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Because it's political suicide in a presidential race to position yourself on issues like this that opponents can easily spin one way or another.  If he votes against the budget, he's for "raising taxes," and if he votes for it, he looks like a hypocrite.  Republicans understand this, and they are pursuing an active strategy of bringing up potentially embarrassing votes for Kerry to vote (or not vote) on during the campaign.

Frankly, if I were his political advisor, I would also recommend that he not vote on these issues.  Doing so gains him nothing at this point.

-- Todd/Leviathn


Wouldn't it be nice to have someone in office that stands on principles and not votes?
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Re: Re: Re: Why did Kerry miss the vote on the budget bill?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2004, 09:30:19 AM »
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Wouldn't it be nice to have someone in office that stands on principles and not votes?


So which principle does he stand on?  Is he a hypocrite?  Or a tax-and-spender?

He has nothing to gain by voting on this measure.  And almost certainly he would not gain your vote as a principled political actor anyway.  You're not the constituency he's wooing.

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