Author Topic: For Lazs: 2003 Crime Stats (Read 2896 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:46:17 AM »

beetle... Dixon is like any small city of about 20,000 but with nicer weather than most. the advantage is that with a tank of gas I can go in any direction and find just about any style of living that anyone could imagine...

dowding... 10% is arbitrary. I used it as a low figure. What is your problem with that number? Are you saying that a 1% black population would be significant enough to base stats on? What is your point? In the U.S. we have a very high rate of crime amongst the negro and minority population many of whom are not even citizens. It is enough that it accounts for the majority of our crime including homicides. I am telling you that using only white crime figures that our homicide rate is about the same as Canadas or yours. My guess is that if you had the same population makeup and borders as ours you would see the same problems.

you gave up yours and your fellow citizens rights for nothing.

lazs

Dowding · « **Reply #61 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:55:38 AM »

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I would guess that in countries with more than 10% blacks there is a higher percentage of crime amongst the blacks.

This is what you said - effectively arguing that there was a 'critical mass' among black communities at which point crime suddenly escalates within the negro community.

You don't see a problem with plucking some random number out of the air to quantify your supposition?

If you don't see the problem with that, I suggest you avoid using any numbers at all in your arguments. Basically you're saying that because America's black/white ratio has exceeded your own arbitrary figure and other countries have not, your argument is statistically verified.

I hope you can see why that is bollocks.

lazs2 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 10, 2004, 09:08:32 AM »

no... I made no such conclusions. I never claimed that all the negro crime is against other minorities. I also never claimed any critical mass... that was your conclusion. I just showed the facts and told you what my guess would be for your little island and the countries that YOU claimed were diverse. I don't call less than 10% "diverse" . I hope you see how blindly agnedized you sound.

lazs

Dowding · « **Reply #63 on:** March 10, 2004, 09:12:27 AM »

How else could that sentence be interpretted?

Countries with a 9.9% black population have a lesser black-on-black crime rate than those with a 10.1% black population.

I hope you realise how little sense you are making. You use the words 'guess' and 'fact' interchangeably.

Torque · « **Reply #64 on:** March 10, 2004, 09:31:02 AM »

Oddly enough some Canadian praire provinces that border the states have a slightly higher homicide rate but they also have a higher gun owner percentage than their American neighbours. Also the province with the highest population density Ontario sits close to the bottom on the homocide stats.

IIRC white homocide works out to be something like 3.6 in the US and 1.8 in Canada (this is all homocides no stats on race here yet or the rate would be cut by 50%). Although the injuries caused by and children's deaths related to firearms is way over the top down south.

IIRC the states the largest portion of white homicide is relates to spouses killing one another, need i say which sex?

Hey Gun Laws don't kill people, people do right?

Laz makes some interesting points too bad he often sounds like an anus in the process.

lazs2 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 10, 2004, 10:43:53 AM »

the gun homicide rates I have for confirmed white homicide in the U.S. is 1.8 per 100,000 just like Canada. We are talking about guns here right? Isn't Canada gun homicide

Dowding... just because the crime is higher against other blacks does not mean that they do not commit crime against whites.

lazs

Dowding · « **Reply #66 on:** March 10, 2004, 10:48:43 AM »

Now you are just being deliberately obtuse. I'm not talking about black-on-white crime and neither were you. You've completely missed the point I was making about your argument.

Oh well. I tried.

lazs2 · « **Reply #67 on:** March 10, 2004, 11:02:59 AM »

dowding you are taking me out of context so I will make it clear as I am able... I believe that with less than 10% blacks you don't have a large enough number to get meaningful stats and... the makeup of a 1% black population of say, imported computer programers is much different than the urban breeding grounds of say a 10% population. I have no proof of this except for the examples of the U.S. and countries with very low or very high negro populations but.... you have nothing except wishful thinking to back you.

lazs

Dowding · « **Reply #68 on:** March 10, 2004, 12:14:08 PM »

You misunderstand again. I'm not seeking to back anything up. I'm simply highlighting how completely unfounded your supposedly statistically accurate views are in this case. I'm glad we finally agree.

Here you liberally sprinkle a few stats around the issue and then make an almighty leap of faith in the direction that most suits with nothing to fall back on. Not saying you do that in every instance, mind you.

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 10, 2004, 02:04:19 PM »

dowding, it was you who claimed "diversity" for england france and germany while I say that the numbers are statisticaly worthless until you get to about 10%.. At 1% you can be a lot more selective than at 10%..

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #70 on:** March 13, 2004, 11:04:04 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
the advantage is that with a tank of gas I can go in any direction and find just about any style of living that anyone could imagine...

ROFL

Gunslinger · « **Reply #71 on:** March 13, 2004, 12:18:32 PM »

Laz,

"the wheels on the bus go round and round...."

-See rips sig

lazs2 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 14, 2004, 09:47:29 AM »

beetle.. what type of climate or environment can't I find within a tank of gas of Dixon?

lazs

Nashwan · « **Reply #73 on:** March 14, 2004, 11:14:42 AM »

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the gun homicide rates I have for confirmed white homicide in the U.S. is 1.8 per 100,000 just like Canada. We are talking about guns here right? Isn't Canada gun homicide

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am telling you that using only white crime figures that our homicide rate is about the same as Canadas or yours.

Lazs, you keep repeating it, it's still not true. I don't think it will become true no matter how many times you say it.

From the FBI:

(Homicide) Offenders by population group
White
5,356

Black
5,579

Other
274

Unkown
4,604

White population of US according to CIA world factbook 223,600,000 (June 2003 estimate, and as the population has grown since the homicide figures are 2002, it will make the homicide rate appear lower than it actually is)

Using only the homicide suspects that are known to be white, that gives a rate of 2.4 per 100,000.

However, that assumes ALL the unkown race suspects are black. If you assume 60% are (and that's a higher percentage than amongst known suspects) then you get over 7,000 homicide suspects white.

That works out to a homicide rate of around 3.2 per 100,000.

And that's achieved by taking out the lowest socio economic group from your sciety. In EVERY western society there is an urban underclass that commits a disproportionate amount of crime. 66% of firearms crimes in Britain are carried out in just 3 police force areas, the Met, W Midlands and Merseyside, which contain approx 20% of the England and Wales population.

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beetle.. what type of climate or environment can't I find within a tank of gas of Dixon?

Tropical jungle? Artic tundra?